Dehaka vs. mass scourge and banalings?

I had Dehaka Leap into one, only for him to die instantly (forgot that at hero lv10, he’s tall enough to get hit by AA). He was by himself since I had him Deep Tunnel to intercept an attack wave. I guess for future match ups, Roar first, then use Scorching Fire on the ground stuff first? If he had some units on him, send in a few Primal Hydras in first to do damage and soak up some of that first?

For future games, try to Devour the Viper or Infestor that come along to these waves.

At level 10, the only strong enough wave that can kill you with both scourge and baneling is from swarmy. And they will have vipers.

Leap, Roar, position and Devour. Insta-kill everything.

Or sometimes “Leap, roar, devour the overlord next to the viper, insta-die”. Fortunately he’s quick to revive so I love to play super aggressive. :joy:

BTW, you can queue a devour for right after a tunnel completes which is handy since you get an extra second to be sure you’re selecting the psionic unit. :wink:

When dealing with this composition, i find the key is to roar, then just take ur time to move around and look for a psionic unit. Swarmy is only really a problem if u jump straight into the wave, even if there isn’t a a viper/festor nearby, u can still just nudge the banes and scourge while they are slowed and then heal urself fast, since there are plenty of low hp units to heal on and then jump into the rest.

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Also, just a rough estimation…

At level 10 (when Dehaka can be hit by air units), he needs 825 essence or something like that. Each essence will give 0.75HP + 600HP Base, which is a total of 1218.75HP or ~1200HP.

Each Scourge does 110dmg and each Baneling does 40dmg. So it takes 11 scourges or over 30 banes to kill Dehaka. Or alternatively 8set of scourge/bane. That’s usually like the entirety of the wave xD cuz the assumption here is that ‘single leap went straight in and you took a hit from everything in the wave’. Pretty suicidal indeed :joy:.

Take a typical wave ~12min, for example on VL, Tech3/Strength3. I mean really it doesn’t have anywhere near ‘strong enough’ to have 11 x scourges or 30 x banelings or combination of that. So you really have to be at like 1/2 HP Dehaka to jump in, then shortly get mawed to die.

The situation does happen in late game but honestly it is pretty rare. Between psionic devour, roar, fiery breath down banes, + far more HP than ‘just reached level 10’ in late game where this matters… the chances of it happening is really not that high. That is of course if you control it right. Otherwise, any sub-level-10 Dehaka can similarly die to jumping into a bunch of banes on a wave 2 or something.

You might also send in Primal Mutalisks first. With anti-air bonus dmg upgrade they shred scourge instantly (although it might look dangerous with their low range). If they get targeted by Viper swarm, just keep them moving with 50% damage reduction while moving upgrade.

I uploaded a video of that here…

Note that there were no Banalings there, but the question remains here for this thread since it still feels relevant. And the Scourge (8 of them) were lv3, so they did 125dmg each!

You are level 14 with well over 1600HP. A zerg wave shows up with very few lings and a 8-10 scourges with Mutalisks. Why is your first instinct to jump into them?

The relevant solution is already provided previously. You need to roar and try to find a Psionic unit (such as viper or Infestor). If one isn’t present, that is ok. Simply devour a scourge or Mutalisk (if you miss), then start killing those scourges.

I mean no offence but anyone watching will be able to say the following:

  1. You had all your abilities available, so you shoulda Roar’d, then Fiery Breath’d.
  2. You shoulda Devour’d any air unit. And then targeted air (though if you did #1, you’d have nothing but air targets anyway).
  3. You had all 3 calldowns available, why didn’t you use them? Another “let me save it for a rainy day until rainy day came and went and flooded your Dehaka…”
  4. If you’re not great with Dehaka solo, where is your army? I looked through mini-map and saw no obvious blob of army under your color. And we are 20min into P&P already…

Your options are plentiful but for some reason you don’t use them. Begs the question “why ask how to deal with it when the answers are all right there?”

Initially, I thought this was just a specific circumstance. However, with the clip, it seems the answer was clearly there. I am befuddled at thee.

To be blunt, if I already knew everything, I wouldn’t need to post questions online now would I? :wink: I did have a feeling that Roaring and Consuming would be the way to go, but unless this message board has VERY STRICT rules on not asking this type of question, then, what’s the harm in getting additional view points?

As for jumping in, that was the first time I encountered Scourge and a lone Deheka that could be hit by AA. I definitely should’ve tagged out Dehaka (since that was his P2), but then again, but funny thing when you’re in a “quick panic”… you do these sorts of things.

Just eat the viper, easy as that.

Edie: ah just checked the reddit thread, this is the classic air zerg composition, that some people say is the weakest enemy comp in the game, but dehaka hero unit is not very good against it, but worry not!, this comp melts against literally anything that can shoot up, creeper hosts or mutas do just fine.

My gripe at this point isn’t the fact you asked because you didn’t know out of literal innocence. It is the fact you’re asking a clearly obvious thing you clearly came across. Definitely multiple times even in that game. And you’re still asking despite the answers provided already.

The composition is classic sky zerg, you’re 20min into P&P, which means this wave is the Strength6/Tech6 that came at this time (or close to it). Given that this composition start to have Scourges at Tech3, it is untrue you “didn’t come across them prior to this”. And since Dehaka gets hit by air by level 10, it is also untrue you’d not known this in 4 levels prior (as your Dehaka is 14). And I am certain this isn’t your first time playing Dehaka since this is P2 Dehaka.

The facts are clear that:

  1. True you panic jumped in.
  2. You had all the tools to use.
  3. All the strategies are explained on here regardless of my gripe.

So really you got what you are looking for. I don’t think it is entirely unwarranted for me to be slightly judgmental on the reasons as to why you’re asking still (and seemingly slighted for my gripe lolz).

After all, prior to the video clip post, you already had everything. These last few were strictly directed at the facts revealed by the video clip. It’s really just a one off “you learned a lesson, don’t jump in like that”. Nothing more to it.

This is the first time I had Dehaka go up against Scourge. I don’t main Dehaka, so the last time I played him prior to prestiging him was probably a few years back (of which I forgot a good deal about him).

Likewise, I got the helpful responses I needed. I’m sorry if I came off as “slighted”. I’m not. I’m always interested posts here (especially since we don’t have much activity these days). Thank you and all others for posting. If you wish to further post, then by all means. If this message board had a way to close threads or mark them as “solved”, we could do that.

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