Il played 4 times with low player unranked and never ranked , they don’t know how to play starcraft they do stupid stuff all the time. I think they need to play only for there level they tag in Brutal mod and you need to carry them all game.
I will carry a friend but evry random dude… it is really really bad for this Mod so player queue brutal with a lvl 1 and a silver league… It can’t be good and i don’t see me leaving evrytime.
So please make something like that:
No rank = casual difficulty
bronze and silver = normal
gold and platinium = Hard
Diamond and Master = Brutal
Players will enjoy more and they will be less problem.
that’s just so stupid
How would want to get ranks in the first place? ranked co-op? what a joke, and since prestige is thing now we need to grind so ofc you gonna see low level players all over the place but this is not a sulution. you started a random map on brutal without a friend if you don’t like your parter quit and move on.
If a player is good with a couple of commanders and horrible with other then you would still got this problem when they choose the commanders they are bad with, or every commander would have it’s own rank completely shutting down the learining progress since when I stared and got my first commander to 15 I was able to do hard but suffered on brutal but after a couple of suffred matches I got better, now you saying if you bad you should say bad since they can’t play challanging content.
The mode is called co-op 2 people MUST play togheter if one is not as good as the other then either he’s gonna be more tryhard or you can easly help him out.
Players with 10 apm and no logic don’t need to play in difficulty and carry is no fun. The Experience bonus system is broken blizzard need to remove it and to remplace it by Exp partipation. You kill a lot of units you get a bonus you clean objectives fast you get a bonus. You upgrades your units to max you get a bonus… Easy to fix
Part of the fun in playing brutal and brutal plus is carrying the other person. I don’t want someone as good as I am because I can already solo most of the brutal plus maps and then we would just faceroll it. Hell, most of the time I post in chat to level someone and queue brutal plus with them.
If we could queue for brutal 2-6, I think ranks would be appropriate. Otherwise, just play better they are pretty darn easy because it’s all scripted and by your 1000th game if you don’t remember what happens at what point in time you should probably pay attention…
Yessss this is what I have asked for in the past! Bad players way over their heads in difficulty selection should not be allowed to continue doing so! It is to the extent of intentionally gamethrowing every single game, and they need an outsider (Blizzard) to tell them to turn down the notch on difficulty.
A low platinum level player like me is able to carry Brutal with no problem if I am lvl15. So I think it is meaningless to add ranking for difficulty brutal or lower. Just improve your own skill if you can’t carry. I may support the idea to add requirement for brutal+1-6.
Also to me, challenge is a very important part of fun. Coop is on Brutal is so simple at lvl 15 that I mostly just play brutal+. When I play on Brutal, I actually hope my ally to be weak so that I can have some challenge.
More importantly, I am not afraid of losing at all. That meaningless Exp is never what I need. I am playing for challenge, and that is my fun.
I’m a deadbeat bronze yet somehow under this system I shouldn’t play brutal difficulty even though I am very much capable of such right now?
What about high ranking ladder players who have no idea how co-op works?
What about those who only prefer co-op and avoid ladder altogether?
Co-op and ladder are two very different forms of the game so player skills in each should be judged largely within their respective boundaries.
It’s important to note that both modes require differing tactics, knowledge and skills to win and these do not necessarily translate from one to the other so using a ladder rank to judge co-op ability is unreliable.
This would be a good idea if your intention is to destroy co-op’s accessibility.
I think brutal need to be more difficult but you can’t up the difficult with 1 lvl ppl with low bronze lvl…
You can carry when your lvl 15 no question about that but if you are lvl 10 you just can’t and sometimes even with lvl 15 you be able to enjoy the game. You are suppose to coop or maybe they can change the name Coop → Carry.
I agree but it’s all about balance. You can’t have fun if you have to carry low bronze dude with lvl 1 how don’t even try to clear objective.
You see that wrong if your bronze you play with another bronze, i think you don’t see how much you get carry when you play coop. I have play master and i play evry race diamond 1 or 2. The lvl gap is really big coop is still starcraft. I think get carry is no help i saw it in wow i saw it in many game it’s better to play you own speed.
I think the ranked system would not really work, because a good player will always win, same as his partner, the system with loosing xp will simply destroy mutations, so I think it would be good if we at least get partners with close mastery level, even if they do prestige right now, because there are really low amounts of player with level 500+ who are playing badly.
But why should bronze players only be allowed to play on normal difficulty? Do you think all bronze players are incapable of playing brutal difficulty?
Like I said, co-op and ladder have little correlation in skills, knowledge and tactics so it’s wrong to use ladder rank as a means to determine how good or bad a player is in co-op and what difficulty they ought to play.
I have never played ladder I can carry on hard, and do my part on brutal. I typically play hard because I need a semi competent partner for brutal which isn’t guaranteed. I’ll play brutal with level 15 commanders I excel with on occasion.
Under this proposed ranking system I’d be regulated to casual because vanilla 1v1 ladder just isn’t for me.
I agree people should play where they belong, which is why I don’t do que brutal mutuations; I know it’s above my pay grade.
But this proposed ranking system ignores the fact many competent coop players don’t play 1v1.
I think bronze player are slower than evry player and they don’t know the game well. A new player can go platinium if he is good at strategy games and never see the Bronze league as long as he play. Better for a bronze player to play in easy or normal. When i play in brutal with a other diamond we clean the map like it was nothing. When i play with bronze player i’am lucky if i got all objectives + bonus.
Completly wrong skill and knowledge have the same weigth in coop, campaign, others mods. You are good or your are bad. If your are ranked bronze you are bad. Maybe years of playing will make you better but i doubt you will play GSL someday…
Maybe some people will suffer but i think today system is bad for the majority of players how play starcraft often. Before starcraft 2 wasn’t free to play… i think a ranked coop will be good for most of players.
This is the problem right here - you are making a massive assumption by somehow thinking a ladder rank is a direct measure of a player’s co-op ability. That’s an unfair comparison because co-op and ladder are two different forms of the game and not everyone plays ladder.
Take me for example - I’m a 1v1 bronze scrub, haven’t won a 1v1 ladder game in years yet I am more than capable of beating difficult co-op mutations in brutal.
On the flip side, I have seen past examples of high ranking ladder players struggle in co-op. If you think someone with a minimum diamond rank automatically means they are expert at co-op, you are flat out wrong.
Co-op and ladder do require differing skills, knowledge and tactics. What you need to do to win in ladder doesn’t necessarily work in co-op and vice-versa. To name a few things:
Mineral line harassment works in ladder but is absolutely useless in co-op.
Scouting is a necessity in ladder but means something different in co-op.
Many co-op commanders play nothing like the 3 ladder races.
Units and abilities available in co-op are not available in ladder thus requiring a different knowledge set to be able to use effectively.
Units and abilities in co-op are intentionally overpowered whereas ladder units are tightly balanced for competitive play.
Co-op has you complete mission objectives against scripted AI whereas ladder has you try to completely wipe out your human opponent. Co-op is predictable whereas ladder is much less so.
Do these all sound the same? Are you comparing apples to apples here?
If anything, Co-op and ladder share the same BASIC skill sets and same BASIC knowledge of the game but that’s where the similarities end.
If you’re ranked bronze in ladder it simply means you are bad at ladder but it does not necessarily mean you are bad at co-op.
In starcraft 2 alpha and beta i was platinium/diamond i have beat Nerchio last weekend , he is a pro player… I beat scarlett and i beat many other pro player so maybe you fell you are good. But me i beileve you can do better because evryone can do better …
Rank bronze is the lowest rank in starcraft so it’s proff you are bad… Just the way it work.
No, that’s illogical. Being bronze doesn’t mean you are bad at everything in this game, it only means you are bad at ladder.
It is possible for bad ladder players to be top notch co-op players. I’m one such player and there are plenty more likewise. This alone is why using a ladder rank to determine what co-op difficulty players should be playing is such a bad idea.
Your level is just the comparison between players and it cannot be judged when you play with another player, you can judge your level as a ranked team as well but that’s another story. Don’t be absurd.
they are pretty darn easy because it’s all scripted and by your 1000th game if you don’t remember what happens at what point in time you should probably pay attention…
