Look, I understand that bronze~diamond league players are humans too.
However, they don’t know how to play the game properly.
My suggestion is simple:
Put a restriction on the " Test " tab. Master 2+ Players would be more than enough to balance the game properly.
In my opinion part of the reason the game is so janky is because there is no restriction on feedback from the general public.
¿How can you write so much s__t in so few words? 
Is it supposed to be a troll thread? I thought you were only complaining about hackers in the team ladder
I think everyone should have a say in feedback (only refer to balance issues in pro games if you’re not good). However, blizzard shouldn’t be using data from low level players in the testing tab.
The issue with this, is that people don’t even do build orders that the game is balanced around in the lower leagues.
Meaning, the majority of the feedback I would think is pretty useless.
By feedback, i mean forum posts and such. If some dia league player watches pro games and thinks race A is too strong based on those pro games, they should be allowed to post their thoughts.
What shouldn’t happen is a 3k mmr mech player screaming about skytoss because they turtled up on 3 bases in one of their own games.
Right but the issue with is, is that spectating is wildey different than actually playing. The theory behind the game can sound right, but in practice is entirely different.
This is why I believe higher ranked players should be the ones testing the balance mod, rather than the lower ranked players.
Restricting the balance test mod is a no-brainer in my opinion.
This is fine
What I mean is when someone on the forum is talking about Pro A beating Pro B, and someone calls them a noob because they’re plat or smthng, that’s stupid. I don’t think low level players should be using the testing tab. If they want to use the balance mod, they can use it in a melee game.
I don’t know, as I’ve said before spectating is vastly different than executing. So if you’re watching a pro game, or a pro vod chances are a lower ranked player really isn’t really understanding what they are watching.
Fair point. A lot of lower league players do understand, especially when it comes to blatantly obvious imbalances. But yeah, lower league players won’t understand everything.
Because at the end of the day starcraft is a video game that we all play to have fun. Blizzard already segregated the casuals from the game with the economy and pacing changes with lotv and caused everyone to quit, you want to do that again? You cannot design video games for less than 200 people, you just can’t, your game would be dead hence the boat sc2 is in. And despite everyone saying the eco changes were great, let’s not forget shortly after this game just died.
but game balance doesnt matter in ranks where people aren’t playing the game properly so i’m not sure why that matters.
Who are you to say though that people shouldn’t? If people don’t find it fun its better to speak out before its patched. If you think the tests are cool fine, but come patch day and everyone else hates it they just quit. Not trying to sound like you know what, but we shouldn’t limit player options.
But you have to understand that blizzard doesnt make any money off the game since free to play.
Therefore, they need the game to balanced at the highest level because thats where ad revenue and sponsorships happen.
Exactly what i call grandmasters of posting:
Low level like protoss plat patrol
no leaguer like others w hidden profile
calla Mule Op rofl
thinks by observing the game of pro players you understand. I assure you, you dont know a lot of reasons why somth is built or not… thus making cases like
hey guys why u dont go early ghosts?? problem solved
Do not argue w better players is my message like if s.o is Diam n you are even lower or not playing. Diam is not a league to listen to but do not argue with higher leaguers, much higher
Right, because people are known for getting seriously invested in the pro scene of a game that they have no hope of being able to enjoy playing themselves.
The fastest way to kill the SC2 pro scene is to kill the casual interest in the game.
While I do agree with this, we’ve had a decade of time to figure out that the casual input has done nothing but destroy the fun factor of the game.
Keep in mind that Blizz used to ask Nathanias for balance suggestions. That should tell you everything you need to know.
The matchfixing scandals killed not only the game, but almost the entire esports scene. It’s not the eco changes. If anything, the eco changes made the game vastly more accessible to casuals.
I have friends that have not played starcraft in like a decade and they still think a game of starcraft is a 30 minute investment that they don’t have the time for. We can ladder and ragequit 3 games in the span of time that the most casual casuals think say to “no attack” for.
Must be nice, every single person I knew in SC2 quit after the economy changes. I adapted, but I’ll still say I don’t like the changes. Also, if you can’t invest 30 minutes into a game, you probably should be playing something else. Strategy games, like chess, can go on for quite awhile and you don’t see chess changing the rules to speedup games so a 30 minutes a week soccer dad can fit in his one game of the week.
is called Lightning chess, if I’m not wrong.
and I think. Blizzard doesn’t just look at win loose. but also at things like MMR and also sorts the length of the game.