2019 WCS Global Finals Topic

Locust can fly for 25 range.

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What did you factually prove with that ELO silliness? In one post, I demonstrated that your statistics were meaningless because you had no way of adjusting for game change over time. You agreed, which was an admission that your entire effort was meaningless. Now you claim that it was a proof?

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In one statement, you demonstrated you have no clue what ELO rankings are in the slightest. ELO is a logistic regression algorithm. That means it estimates the parameters that produce a result. If the results change, so does the estimation of the parameters, but you go ahead and keep on claiming that ELO is static and doesn’t adapt to new inputs despite the fact that that is literally exactly what it is designed to do.

Nice rationalization of something that hasn’t actually been proven… It’s just conjecture based on player performance. We do not know anything for certain regarding player skill. Zerg is the most represented race by such a huge margin that there’s no way it’s just a result of pure chance. Serral is almost certainly better, but… It’s hard to really make such a claim for anyone else. I don’t think Elazer is better than Neeb/Special/Showtime/Heromarine; Reynor is better than Elazer, but it’s hard to say exactly how players of different races actually compare.

Odds are pretty high that Zerg is easier/stronger at the level for qualifying for tournaments (Which would explain their fairly consistently higher win rates and representation than the other races even in periods when Zerg aren’t winning tournaments, and makes sense given ladder distribution).

Average elo being lower does not mean what you think it means. Average ELO being lower for Zerg, when they have significantly higher representation than the other races, is exactly what should be expected…

For your claim that a lower average ELO means Zerg is UP to be true, the following would also need to be true:

  1. Representation has nothing to do with balance whatsoever (Obviously false)
  2. Balance is constant (It almost certainly is not)
  3. Player skills for all 3 races are the same, on average, across the pro scene (Also extremely unlikely, given that it’s the top end of the skill spectrum and representations are not similar, qualifiers exist, and players that enter open qualifiers tend to be high masters or GM, so ladder representation plays some role in representation)

A bunch of facts that disagree with your conclusion based on a single skewed statistic taken out of context that relies on unsubstantiated assumptions that are almost certainly false:

  • Zerg has positive win rates in both non-mirror match ups.
  • Zerg makes up over half of the representation in finals on the Premier tournament scene this past year, and in the past 10 premier/major tournaments.
  • Zerg has won 9/15 premier tournaments this year.
  • Pro players seem pretty unanimous on Zerg being OP atm…
  • Zerg has the highest representation on the pro scene.
  • Aligulac currently has Zerg as the “leading race” at the highest value any race has ever had (20%), and Zerg currently has a high performance difference.

This year, Zerg has been the top race. There’s really no debating that. It’s not “definitely” because the race is too strong, but when something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
When the vast majority of the data supports the idea that Zerg is too strong, and pretty much everyone agrees on the sentiment, including the top Zerg players, leave it to Batz to find the one statistic that sort of makes it look like Zerg might be weak and take it out of context…

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If you see it coming yes. If it blindsides you, you’re screwed.

Not killing the nydus, and then losing the game, does not qualify as

Further, that was 8 swarm hosts. That’s bordering on killing a nexus, so I’m not sure how you propose defending the archives. Especially when he actually had units in place and they had to run because they wouldn’t have saved the archives, they just would have died. And even better is that rogue just a-moved those locusts. It’s not even like he properly microd, they just landed on a pylon and had to shamble over.

A spell with a 90 second cooldown is the counter to a free unit with a 45 second cooldown that the spell doesn’t even one shot. Even without the mass of roaches bearing down on the third, storm buys you a minute or 2 at best.

This is a lie. There were 3 full energy queens.

Strange how this excuse didn’t apply when it was zerg struggling against BCs.

yes, the truth of the forums:
“being wrong” + “lying” = Batz

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Just fyl. Locusts spawn every 43 seconds, it takes 95 seconds to generate 75 energy for Storm. Fighting locusts with storms is an exercise in futility.

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Yeah, I rounded the storm because I was just going of the whole MULE thing with 50 energy ~ 1 minute, so I felt I should probably round the locust cooldown as well.

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Neeb is definitely not the championship contender he used to be… Still brought the reigning GSL champion to match point.

Ah yes only show us the swarm host winrate. And what’s the freking nydus win rate batz??? Last I checked it was 67% vs T.

Luckily it’s getting nerfed hard.

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Source please?

His brain in another dimension.

Serral just smoked soo…damn

You almost sound surprised

soo is a monster in zvz

in fact soo eliminated serral in iem katowice

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