You didn’t say no to anything I asked you.
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Never say can’t. If not now, give it another patch. It’s coming. It’s the viking’s destiny to own everything in this game.
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So the Viking is a whale?.
Cool! How much faster?
I just tested each out vs 10 scvs and probes, respectively. The viking kills 10 probes in 14 seconds. The oracle kills 10 scvs in 15 or 16 seconds. So, while not an astronomical difference, when you add in the viking annihilates carriers and tempests, and it also ANNIHILATES most ground comps from Toss… it’s just the OP cherry on the top.
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arent crossdressing transgenders a pillar of the left?
Thank you! I think I have a new TvP build!
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If you go far Right enough you become Left.
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Don’t attempt to use logic on HonkHonk. Don’t cast pearls before swine.
Don’t talk about your wife like that.
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The amount of kills either the oracle or the viking get in TvP aren’t really what make them strong units since most players can hold a viking or an oracle opener with little to no damage to their economy taken. The strength of both units come from either forcing a reaction out of the Terran or making the Terran stronger against warp prisim play.
The community isn’t very coherent.
Hello Carl Benjamin.
The oracle is an incredibly weak opening in T vs P now. If it weren’t for the tempest, it would probably be the worst unit Toss has in that matchup. It just isn’t a threat. It doesn’t kill scvs fast enough. Like 4 marines or something stupid kills it. 1 mine kills it. Cyclones… a viking…
The only way to actually kill more than like 2 scvs with an oracle is if the guy’s base is completely undefended. Best case scenario is you killed a couple scvs and now… you have to get creative/lucky for the oracle to have any utility beyond that.
Even if you tag their army… it’s 30 seconds… It’s a super lack luster unit vs Terran. Trash I’d say. The risk/reward makes zero sense.
With the viking, it’s a unit you’d always want to have given its insane utility now. It kills workers so fast that you have to respect it. By simply making Toss take their workers off mining, it’s worth it. You can also use it to scout. As a Toss player, you’d much rather be able to make a single viking than the oracle. At least, personally.
The oracle is still good vs Zerg and Toss, though. More so vs Zerg.
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I think that making an oracle is weaker than going straight phoenix. However if you occasionally mix it into your play the Terran will have to defend against it even if you don’t make it when you open stargate.
It shouldn’t ever get much damage done but it still forces the Terran player into deviating from their plan.
I think viking openers are really good too but I also really like ravens and occasionally banshees.
You have to respect it less than banshees but it is cheaper. Both banshees and vikings are very defensive tools so there’s a lot of comparison you can make between them.
1 viking is really bad against Terran, I’ll tell you that much.
Why do people like Tasteless+Artosis so much? They are the worse combination of casters IMO.
Moonglade is best boy.
Their casting hasn’t been as good recently. They had many godly moments, though.
I absolutely hate both options. I’ve tried both and absolutely hate both. If I were forced to do one, I’d still open oracle, though. It absolutely sucks, but at least you can scout what the guy is doing from the get go and maybe get a scv.
The oracle’s “utility” is in the early game. With phoenixes… I don’t feel like they have any utility until the other guy has medivacs out, so opening with them seems like having failed a correct order test.
I think EVERY harass option Terran has is amazing. I only bring up the viking cause of thebatz comment in this thread about my prior comment about vikings.
I have no idea how Terrans even choose what to harass with. Widow mine drops. Banshees. Vikings. Liberators. Etc, etc. Can even raven harass. An embarrassment of riches.
I think peak Terran harass is like a mine drop in the main and then a viking harassing the natural or w/e bases. The viking harass excels when the guy is distracted for a second or two.
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Maybe this is because as a Terran I’m used to trying to interpret what the other player is doing with a small amount of information but I think phoenix can gather information just fine.
You can actually force damage with phoenix and they do really well at being defensive. They’re like a viking or steroids but they cost a lot more.
Widow mine drops force damage. Vikings create a potential for warp prism defence and lightly pin the Protoss to his base. Banshees strongly pin Protoss to his base but are really expensive. Liberators are banking on the game being messy and the Protoss being out of position.
Can a phoenix tell you exactly where a medivac is at all times?
That’s an overabundance of information. If you’re very persistent with your phoenix you can keep track of almost everything without the oracle. Its not worth the delay on the phoenix production and the extra 150/150.