Zen is a bigger problem then mercy

Wait, is this a joke? We are going after Zen now, of all people?
Three weeks ago he was the poster child of the support who was bad off. The man’s legs don’t work. His hitbox is orbed shaped. You mentioned Zen when mentioning supports who were in a problemed place like he was on his deathbed in the hospital. It was joked that’d we’d riot about his Discord orb, but now we are seriously considering it an issue with him?

Come on, Zen is fine. Let’s not go there.

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Where did you get that bar from?

https://top500-aggregator.up.railway.app/season/2_2

Mostly because hes too easy to pick by the snipers. Regardless of being weak to dive, it doesn’t change the fact that discord is problematic.

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Well yeah, I got a solution for that if they needed to.

[OW2] Solving the "Damage Boost" issue

But I’d argue damage boosts a much lower priority issue than Matchmaking.

And almost all the problem with damage boosts would go away if they nerf oneshot DPS hard enough.

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He will be back if dive does become the season 3 meta comp as is being predicted

Live by the dive, die by the dive.

Or play him on attack, not on defence.

I’m going to keep suggesting this:

Discord orb:- damage increase on target now only applies to zen, damage boost increased to 30%. cooldown increased to 4 seconds

New passive:- masters guidance, when allies deal damage to discorded targets heals them for a percentage of damage done

Transcendence:- increase ultimate cost

This is only if/when people start whining about the squishiest character in the game being too potent.

You keep your filthy hands off my discord orb.

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Widow has grapple to escape, an instant hitscan 1 shot and a thin hitbox.
Zen has no escape ability, both primary and secondary are projectile and has an easy to hit hitbox.
Unfair to compare both.

To reply to OP, no.
Mercy has insane mobility in every possible direction as long as teammates are around, better healing output and her dmg boost works as a mix of her, her allies and her enemies positioning.
Zen has no mobility, less healing output, more damage output than Mercy and his dmg boost is a mix of his and his enemies positioning.
Not a bigger problem than Mercy.

Getting to and eliminating a Zen is far easier than the same to a Mercy.

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Zen Discord Orb:

  • Enemies now deal 25% less damage when discord orb is applied to them.

I’d rather some tanks just take less crit damage. Tanks like Roadhog, D.va, MAYBE Zarya would qualify, and my reasoning is that they don’t always have their defenses up and can’t freely use their defenses like Sigma, Ball, Winston, and Reinhardt can.

The exception being Orisa not getting any crit reduction because she already completely nullifies it in gold mode and, my god, she does not need any more protection.

Makes sense to me.

And yeah, you do have a point, that’s a way easier solution.

Kinda forgot about it

Ugh no. We don’t need longer team fights. Orb of Discord as-is helps teams resolve fights more quickly at the cost of overall team healing.

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While i do think in general, that the game would be better without dmg amps, i have no idea what to give the supports in compensation.
Discord is zen’s all utility he has, so it would need to be something very substantial.
Beyond that, Zen is the ultimate survival simulator of supports atm.

And then if dmg amps are removed, i think at least a few tanks survivability would need a look at, etc.
Like, if you want to kill an orisa, dmg amp is pretty much a requirement quite often at the moment.

But if the game was designed/balanced from the beginning without dmg amps i think it would be better. (Ults excluded)

and people wonder why they never gave zen a mobility :skull: :skull:

The slow floating ability zen had in that one experimental 2 years ago or so was a lot of fun. Probably somewhat broken but it was funny.

Dude has a Genji pfp, of course he got worked. Trying to say it causes a “problem in 5v5” and that it’s an “issue for tanks”

Mad he can’t deflect discord, mad he got kicked back during his ult and missed a slash, mad he got baited into ulting into Trans, take your pick

Zen has obvious weaknesses: his hitbox is deceptively large, he has no mobility, low healing for ONE target outside of ult, a projectile attack that’s hard to hit on hypermobile targets

utterly absurd this guy thinks zen is more of a problem than kiriko or boost-bot mercy

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And you have an orisa profile that mean jack to the argument stop using thus dumb attack. Zen is nit hard for me to take out just like widowmaker is not hard for me to take out but looking at different sides watching different ranks play and how others use ability discord orb is a probile im 5v5 it make your tank just worse instantly and when your tank dies the team dies its how it goes once sojourn is out and if orisa satays as strong as she is zen will show how insane discord is and will be dominating.

One plot hole in your reasoning.

Zen is very dive-able and easy to kill.

Mercy is one of the most mobile heroes in the game and one of the hardest heroes to kill.