Hi. This was from 3 years ago. Single Tank, with Role Passives.
✅ Next Experiment: 1-2-2 SoloTank
Then I did a comprehensive 5v5 rebalance patch post, a few weeks before the OW2 PVP beta was announced:
Hi. This was from 3 years ago. Single Tank, with Role Passives.
✅ Next Experiment: 1-2-2 SoloTank
Then I did a comprehensive 5v5 rebalance patch post, a few weeks before the OW2 PVP beta was announced:
How could double shield not be balanced? They literally have all the reworks for it in OW2.
I don’t think this bit is actually true though. The default is to resist change. Whenever a company changes a product, it does so with the knowledge that there will be pushback (often very vocal very virulent pushback). That is the default. Companies still change products though. There are any number of reasons why a company might change a product even in the face of very vocal detractors.
And in the case of videogames, in particular, the default appears to be that a significant portion of the playerbase for any given game doesn’t want any major changes- regardless of whether those changes are positive or not.
In the case of the 6v6 vs 5v5 discussion the most salient point that I believe is overlooked in these discussions is that the devs had attempted to solve various issues in numerous ways before resorting to the 1-2-2 format.
If it were easy to solve those issues without resorting to 1-2-2, they would have done so. So while I have some sympathy for the idea that going back to 6v6 while addressing the issues of it’s format would be difficult but some would prefer that we do it anyway, I think those who say that 6v6 would easily improve the game and that it would be easy to address any issues of the 6v6 format, but that the devs simply refuse to do so are pretty clearly misguided. (Which clearly is not what you, Alex, are saying, but it comes up so often in these discussions, it’s hard not to address it.)
and despite anything the players now claim it to be the best change ever made to OW, because devs said it
overoptimistic
wrong, OW was pretty balanced quite early
it was things like the old Hog hook that needed fixing, then the game was mostly fine
I feel the same. I loved OW2 at first and even called it a new golden age of OW gameplay, but the balance has gotten progressively worse with every passing month.
None of that is specific to 5v5. This team just isn’t adept at balancing a PvP shooter. Changing the number of players on the battlefield is never going to make the dev somehow capable of something that isn’t in their skill set.
10/10 would recommend this post people enjoy getting murdered while one tank struggles trying to stay alive with an ana on the enemy team like it’s not nostalgia glasses the devs are just dumb since ow came out it’s was made for a 6v6 that’s why characters are the way they are now if anything they need to nerf some damage since that’s what the other tank did take some of that damage stress off people like if they just added the tank back we wouldn’t need to nerf so many people “double shield meta tho” orisa isn’t a shield tank anymore and can say f you to literally 95% to the roster so you can’t blame that plus you just switch you switch to people who melt shields it wasn’t that hard you guys just suck just say that
My favorite posts are the ones advocating for 5v5 and believing(with copium only) that Micro$oft is going to do anything with OW. The joke writes itself.
formula should be 2 tanks, 2 supports, 1 DPS
it’s how it’s mostly played in RQ comp
And it’s funny how people who dont show evidence on how 5v5 is better other than “nostalgia glass” and people who blindly support the devs when it doesn’t Benefit them I find those hilarious as you said they write themselves
There were multiple people hypothesizing the benefits of 5v5 at a time years before it was ever announced.
We can hypothesize about it as well, but I am not speaking about speculations. I am saying that 5v5 advocates would not be as big as 6v6 advocates now. Not even close.
before the announcement theres nothing to support…
But there’s no announcement that 6v6 will come back, but it’s a huge movement even after a year.
after its already announced the discussion is different
Yeah, that’s why I am comparing in the same vacuum. 5v5 was not announced and being supported is not nearly as famous as 6v6 being also not announced. 6v6 is also not announced. heck, it’s even worse because it’s a canceled thing now. but the support is massive. do you see the point?
Yes there was, i wanted 5s and still like it now.
Not as near as 6v6 now. There was not daily posts on forums and weekly videos discussing it, heated debates or anything. Not even close.
I never saw anyone in early ow1 say they loved it specifically for being 6 vs 6 either.
True, but it would never grow into sizes of current 6v6 supporters.
The Bible has been around for thousands and thousands of years and has been changed. Not everyone agrees with the Bible and yet it remains. Can’t expect everyone to agree. We’re not a hive mind.
Not a very good comparison. 6v6 is a canceled thing. Nobody canceled Bible. Bible is like 6v6 now, in fact.
The biggest reason is the ttk for team fights is better then in OW1 which majority of the time it came down to charge ult and win with Q. In 5v5 primary fire and abilities feel way more impactful thet they ever did in 6v6
But 5v5 ults are still powerful too. What you say is characteristic to both. Nanoed genji is a team wipe now. And primary fire being impactful, it was possible to fix it. Primary fire was impactful during 6v6 for so many years, so it was obviously not a format issue. They just had poor balancing and convinced everyone that it’s 6v6’s fault.
5v5 could have worked, but they messed it up
This. I seriously enjoyed 5v5 at start. Then they bring back cc, bring back every problem of 6v6, and I wonder what was the point then.
Doom and Orisa were reworked. Same with bastion and Cassidy.
How About Ana or Zen. Or you saying cass and bastion, they became even worse now. Bastion was glued to a place against 2 tanks. Now he is a movable tank busting machine. They reworked them, but made worse for 5v5.
All tanks got health buffs and
Sure, but overall shared tank health pool was around 800-1200 in OW1. Now there are tanks with 450 HP. And all 5 sources of damaged directed on you. It’s like you want to protect yourself from a nuclear drop by wearing a helmet. Tanks get melted in a second.
The only reason people defend 5v5 was cause it was legit thrown at us.
And somehow devs convinced everyone that 6v6 was the reason, not poor balancing.
Why do people think speaking “objectively” is the only way I can speak
Because that determines the game health. If the game continues to decline like it does now, you, subjectively, will not have this game to play anymore. It was abandoned once before, it will happen again, and is kinda already happening.
Hi. This was from 3 years ago. Single Tank, with Role Passives.
Next Experiment: 1-2-2 SoloTank
Then I did a comprehensive 5v5 rebalance patch post, a few weeks before the OW2 PVP beta was announced:
If you read the comments you will see how people bust all these posts with facts. That’s exactly my point. You could say you want 5v5, but the community would destroy that opinion. Just like they do in the posts of the threads that you posted here.
How could double shield not be balanced? They literally have all the reworks for it in OW2.
And how come we had 6v6 before without shield shooting? Obviously it was a hero design issue then, not a format issue.
10/10 would recommend this post people enjoy getting murdered while one tank struggles trying to stay alive with an ana on the enemy team like it’s not nostalgia glasses the devs are just dumb since ow came out it’s was made for a 6v6 that’s why characters are the way they are now if anything they need to nerf some damage since that’s what the other tank did take some of that damage stress off people like if they just added the tank back we wouldn’t need to nerf so many people “double shield meta tho” orisa isn’t a shield tank anymore and can say f you to literally 95% to the roster so you can’t blame that plus you just switch you switch to people who melt shields it wasn’t that hard you guys just suck just say that
you are right, but holy s…t, commas and periods