The matchmaking, fairness and overall experience for competitive is just absolutely terrible. The game is riddled with toxic cheaters, derankers, boosters, smurfs and trolls. When you lost a match and you’re below gold, you should not lose any rank progress. It should just stay at wherever your current rank is. When you get to Gold, then the progress can begin to go up and down again, but you should never be able to drop below gold.
I’ve been playing this game since day 1 and I know from all those years experience that there is nothing fair about the matchmaking in this game. It never feels natural. It never feels normal. Playing comp ALWAYS feels like a waste of time. You play for hours everyday and you’re nowhere closer to ranking up than you were the day before. This system is pathetic and I can’t believe its been going on like this for this long.
That wouldnt work.
Everyone would then be gold at minimum; gold would then become the new bronze because everyone below gold would eventually climb to that.
It absolutely would work. Competitive offers no incentive worth the time and grind it takes to rank up in OW. Nothing makes me not want to play this game more than to see my rank progress go down 20% after losing to a team that I should never have been matched against. Also its severely demoralizing to play for days and not see any progress to your rank. It literally becomes a question of why waste my time with it? It would still take a lot of wins to make it to gold for the season and you have to consider the fact that a lot of bronze/silver players have to deal with cheaters, derankers, boosters, smurfs and trolls all the time. I’m sorry but if you’re a team who is completely destroying the enemy team in bronze/silver and not ranking up then you’re intentionally staying there. I refuse to believes players like this are constantly matched against me and they not move up in ranks to be matched with higher ranked players. People are cheating the system in so many ways and its ruining the game.
It wouldnt, because ranks below gold would cease to exist.
Thus, gold would be the new bottom rank. And then you would be asking for the same thing for the higher ranks from gold.
in other words, all current bronze/silver players would eventually be gold, because it would just be a matter of playing enough games. No one has 0% winrate.
Um so bronze and silver wouldn’t exist haha, the only people there would be ones who play 2 games a season.
Not to be this guy, but if you are playing hours a day and ending the same rank, it just means you are at the rank you deserve. A person who is grandmaster might also play all day and end the same rank, should they get inflated to champion too? No, because they are at the rank right now where they win about ~50% which isn’t enough to climb, but not enough to fall.
I could see an argument for slightly different scaling of win streaks in this elo, just to help people have a little boost upwards if they seem to be already moving that way. Maybe a few less wins to get ‘winning trend’ buff.
If this is how it feels for you I think you genuinely need to examine if you actually enjoy this game, or if you are playing it almost out of an addiction to the ranked mode. Maybe it’s time to move on to something that gives you actual joy when you play and doesn’t leave you frustrated at the end of every evening.
I’m asking for fairness. I want fair match making. That doesn’t exist in bronze/silver because I’ve literally been playing it since the beginning of OW.
fairness is progressing when you win a digressing when you lose.
how is it fair to reward people less as they get better?
as a matter of fact, what is fair about ruining gold? whats fair about moving the bell curse when there is a finite amount of ranks for poeple to go into? all you would do is remove what little competitive integrity the game has left for what?
you ego?
This is not true. The grind to Gold would still require a lot of wins. You wouldn’t be able to lose your way to Gold. The problem in bronze/silver comp is that there is a lot of players who play like they belong in diamond or higher and yet they are consistently matched against players who are legit bronze/silver. This is in no way fair. The match making in this game is absolutely terrible. This is no surprise. Literally everyone knows this. How can you have a comp. mode where the experience for half the people in the lower ranks are consistently matched against teams they have no chance of winning against? And why are those teams always there? How are they not ranking up and getting matched against players their skill level? Why are so many highly skilled players flooded in the bronze/silver ranks?
Because you still have to win to get that reward. Did you not read my post?
It is true, because if you cant de-rank the only way is to go up in ranks for everyone.
Even if someone wins 1 out of 10 games they’ll eventually only climb up.
Thus, its just a participation award and would make ranks below gold meaningless, and over time it wouldnt exist. All current bronze 5 players would eventually be Gold 5.
even if someone went out of their way to have a 100% negative winrate, theyd still just be in gold 5 games anyway because there would be no one else for them to play with.
its actually baffling that op came here thinking this was a good idea
It would take an entire season for someone to rank up to Gold at this rate.
They are already meaningless. At least with this players would have some sense of accomplishments because it would still require wins but also show progress for your time and efforts. The matchmaking in this game is horrible. Until they somehow fix it and stop with this pattern of “oh you won! Here is 10 matches with the worst players in the world and an enemy team with the best players in the world” then players need new ways to climb in ranks up to a point. I’d rather the matchmaking be improved, but do you honestly think we’re going to get that?
what difference does it make? its still void of any form of skill.
then why bother doing anything? if it means nothing then surely there’s no hit to your ego for being bronze
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it would require nothing but time.
apex did something similar a few years ago. once you hit a rank, you could not fall lower than that rank. want to know what happened? people got lucky, hit plat and stayed bottomed out in plat for the rest of the split. it was awful because surprisingly when people play ranked games, they want to play against other players of a similar rank, not those who got lucky and or boosted into a rank they can no longer fall out of.
this is actually laughable.
before this? yes. the devs might be braindead but im sure alteast one person in the office would be smart enough to see how this is just a horrid idea that panders to bad players at the cost of literally everyone who are gold and up.
If players cant lose rank, all players will be ranked up. So, reaching gold would only require playing enough games.
Tell me how people would not be only ranked up in a system over time that doesnt let players lose their rank?
Sounds like you dont like any skill based rating system and would just have an experience-point system like in RPG’s. But thats not how competitive games work, and maybe competitive games are not for you.
Additionally the end result would be that you’d essentially just shift the current rank distribution up for everyone.
current bronze players would be in low gold. Silvers in gold-plat etc. for example.
And once the curve would “stabilize” again you’d have the same issues as ever before - possibly even worse as everyone is now squished closer together.
Then tell me a solution for the current absolute pathetic match making and comp experience for bronze/silver players? Don’t tell me to get better. There is no amount of getting better that will allow any player, especially support roles, change the outcome of a match when you’re facing a team that you have no chance of winning against.
I do too but I can’t because I am consistently matched against players who are much higher skill (or cheating, deranking, boosting, smurfing, premades) so until they finally realize the match making in this game is disgustingly bad what chance do I and most other players who don’t get the “always win” players on their team? And I say always win because that is exactly how it feels most of the time when I play comp. Like there is just no denying the enemy teams I am matched against should have never been matched with me. There is a terrible pattern of bad match making in this game.
The way placements work, you can’t even get to silver and bronze without going through gold first. Also, throwers would abuse this since they can’t drop any lower. In other words no penalty for throwing your games.
But I was recently considering something along these lines to stop the bleeding during forced streaks that could also potentially mitigate smurfs. You shouldn’t be able to play more than 1000 sr below your peak for example. If the system ever throws you there and you weren’t boosted, then you didn’t deserve it.
And I don’t care how “washed” anyone is, a true former GM will always be able to farm “metal ranks”. I can say from experience in games that I used to be cracked at, even if you come back after a 2-year hiatus all it takes is 1-2 weeks of serious grinding and you will be in the same ballpark of where you left off skill-wise. It is much harder to lose skill than it is to gain it.
Team 4 should take a look at this issue although I haven’t yet thought of a practical solution to this problem.