You gotta feel for mercy players

[BadWidowEU-2419]

@Titanium-1686

Valkyrie:

• Removed.

Resurrect:

• Removed as a basic ability and placed as Mercy’s ultimate ability.
• 15 meter range.
• Line of sight requirement. Does not apply to destructibles, payloads, or non-fundamental map obstacles that are too small to actually obscure a player. In other words, none of that BS where a player can move behind a lamp post to evade a nuclear explosion.
• 1 second cast time. Basic movement is unrestricted while casting, but all attacks and abilities are disabled for Mercy during this time.
• If Mercy is stunned or killed while casting, Resurrect does not activate and Mercy loses all ultimate charge.
• All living allies within range and LoS of Mercy once the cast time ends receive a burst heal of 150 HP. Mercy also receives this burst heal.
• All dead allies within range and LoS of Mercy once the cast time ends are revived at full health and receive 2.25 seconds of invulnerability (same as current Resurrect and Resurrect pre-rework).
• Mercy does not receive invulnerability upon Resurrect’s activation.
• Resurrect does not require dead allies to be activated.
• 1625 ultimate charge requirement (the same as Mercy 1.x’s Resurrect).

Most importantly, this takes Resurrect off one of Mercy’s basic abilities and places it into a position that matches its ultimate-like behavior. On top of this, various trade-offs were made to the ability to allow for the healing burst and the introduction of a second basic ability.

The healing burst, post-rez vulnerability, cast time, and LoS requirements all incentivise using Resurrect to revive 0-3 players rather than 4+ players. Attempting to use it on four or more players runs a greater risk a failed resurrect attempt due to the cast time. If Mercy manages to use Resurrect, there is a greater chance that she missed some allies due to the LoS requirement. If those two drawbacks do not drag her team down enough, there is also the fact that Mercy is vulnerable post-rez while her teammates are still reviving.

The healing burst and fire-at-will mechanics on Resurrect make the ability more flexible and open up some unique uses for it. For example, Mercy could use Resurrect to grant her team a burst of healing in the middle of the teamfight to keep their momentum going rather than waiting for an ally to rejoin the fight after being killed and revived.

New Basic Ability - Pacify:

• After a .5 second wind-up, Mercy launches a single hitscan attack from her left hand.
• The projectile’s hitbox size resembles that of Symmetra’s secondary fire.
• The projectile deals no damage upon impact with an enemy. Instead, it applies a debuff that reduces the base damage dealt by the target by 33%. 100 damage is reduced to 66 damage before other damage amplifiers/reductions are factored in.
• This debuff lasts for 4 seconds.
• The projectile does not persist once it hits an enemy. It is only able to affect one enemy for each use.
• The projectile is blocked by barriers, Defense Matrix, and Particle Barriers. It can be deflected by Genji’s Deflect ability.
• 10 second cooldown. The cooldown begins after the ability is cast.
• There is a .25 second wind-down time after Pacify is launched.
• During the wind-up and wind-down times, Mercy is not able to use her staff, her pistol, or Resurrect. She may use Guardian Angel, however.
• Does not affect non-player entities and constructs (turrets, Rip-Tire, Supercharger, etc).

Would this change be any good?

[Quest-11845]

Tbh this conversation with Kailan is probably the most worthwhile conversation I’ve had in months. Maybe they will convince me to abandon my position. I can only hope so.

They at least approach this in a way that isn’t just recycled talking points and such that most of the Mercy conversation has boiled down to at this point.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Join the dark side!

[Ginger-12314]

Conversations tend to stagnate when you choose to ignore all of someone’s points instead of actually trying to refute them.

[Quest-11845]

Dunno who you’re referring to with that. It’s certainly not me.

[Ginger-12314]

It absolutely is you. You still have yet to respond to any of my points.

[HoldW-1966]

I played Mercy when she was the best option as a healer when she wasn’t picked yet. Moira came and was a good alternative as a main healer although Mercy was still the most reliable pick on more scenarios. All this while Ana was in sh1t tier due to being overshadowed by Mercy/Moira. Now Ana is a much better place along with Lucio, while Mercy and Zen are still viable picks for reliability.

This right now honestly is the best time to play as a healer. And I don’t mean as a certain hero one trick, but as a healer. You can switch it up between games without getting bored, and honestly more people should be more flexible with their hero pools. If playing something gets boring, mix it up. Meta changes, but right now is the best time to learn more heroes.

[Handsome-11967]

Lol, I mean I like the pacify ability. I think that sounds cool and kinda works.
I’m not a mercy player though and I’m no expert so you’d have to check with other people.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

I knew you’d agree.

[Quest-11845]

Wtf?

I responded to what you said for a while until I figured it was pointless.

What exactly did I leave unresponded to? You saying how it would be unideal to wait for a mass rez at certain times? Yeah, I agree. Sometimes it’s not a good choice to wait for mass rez. If considering the highest level of play, doing so is ridiculous. If I’m considering the majority of the ladder etc etc, then there might be MANY times where waiting for the right time to mass rez vs a tempo could b e way more beneficial.

So please, explain to me what it is that you said that I neglected to address? I’ll do so now.

[Affinity-12848]

It is nice talking to intelligent human beings, that’s for sure.

Personally I think they should remove rez outright and create more intricate and interesting abilities for Mercy. Clearly there is no way Blizzard can figure a way to balance it for this game. They’re the professionals at the end of the day.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

New Basic Ability - Pacify:

• After a .5 second wind-up, Mercy launches a single hitscan attack from her left hand.
• The projectile’s hitbox size resembles that of Symmetra’s secondary fire.
• The projectile deals no damage upon impact with an enemy. Instead, it applies a debuff that reduces the base damage dealt by the target by 33%. 100 damage is reduced to 66 damage before other damage amplifiers/reductions are factored in.
• This debuff lasts for 4 seconds.
• The projectile does not persist once it hits an enemy. It is only able to affect one enemy for each use.
• The projectile is blocked by barriers, Defense Matrix, and Particle Barriers. It can be deflected by Genji’s Deflect ability.
• 10 second cooldown. The cooldown begins after the ability is cast.
• There is a .25 second wind-down time after Pacify is launched.
• During the wind-up and wind-down times, Mercy is not able to use her staff, her pistol, or Resurrect. She may use Guardian Angel, however.
• Does not affect non-player entities and constructs (turrets, Rip-Tire, Supercharger, etc).

Is this any good?

[MegaLopunny-11165]

Mercy’s entire design from release was flawed. They made an all encompassing support with no drawbacks then released a bunch of niche gimmick supports after.
On top of that, making her so easily accessible.
Now we have the most popular hero in the game with the most mains and one tricks who is also powerful with barely a learning curve.

[Quest-11845]

Yeah Rez is undeniably problematic af. Look how long it has taken them to sort out this joke of a rework they imposed on us. Flexing into support has felt like Mercy or throw for so many seasons I want to forehead my monitor into oblivion. Picking any healer other than Mercy though felt like “well damn now I really have to focus up and perform” just to provide value on par with me being like “herp derp another drink” on Mercy.

I’d be down for removal of rez, or another rework that changes her kit, like whatever really. I am just not down for mass rez, due to the reasons I outlined before. That’s all. Pitch me on anything under the sky that isn’t mass rez, let’s go. Try to sell me on mass rez? Ehhhhhh… I highly doubt I’ll buy. Due to the reasons I’ve already, imho, explained very well.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Weirdly these niche supports were doing much better than old Mercy who was widely considered to be underpowered. JK, her kit was very flawed.

[Ginger-12314]

You didn’t respond to my points in either of these posts:

Yes, you can. The reason being is we’re just stripping the context and situation from the mechanic, and looking at the mechanic in it’s own, raw, circumstantial form.

That’s meaningless though. The ability doesn’t exist without context, it does not take place in a vaccuum, you absolutely have to consider the context. There is literally no point otherwise.

That is why I say the success rate of hide and rez is largely inconsequential to the discussion as this is a fundamental design issue.

It’s not at all inconsequential. You are objectively not getting more out of a 5-man rez than a good tempo rez in most cases. The only scenario where you would is when you’re able to successfully bait out enemy ults and still get the rez, which was already pretty rare and would be even more difficult with more counterplay added. There is no flaw in that design.

I’m not discussing how I feel

I don’t like the idea of 1 button press = 1-5 people rezzed

You literally are. You have yet to point out any actual inherent design flaws with mass rez.

No. That is not even remotely close to what my point is, and the fact that you see everything I said and render it down to this insanely diluted and oversimplified form is kind of telling ngl…

That’s not the case, though. I’m not claiming it’s all you’ve said, I’m claiming it’s the reasoning for it, and that everything else you’ve said is wrong.

Uh yes. You said nothing that is relevant to what I was discussing. Maybe that’s on me, maybe I could have explained my position better. Iunno. Maybe that’s just your refusal to acknowledge and consider what I said. Who knows. Feelings complicate things a lot so shrug.

I literally addressed your points and explained why they’re wrong. Idk how much more relevant I can get.

You literally cannot balance without context. The hero and the ability do not exist in a vaccuum, you can’t balance them as such. You have to balance them with the context of the game in mind. Discussing balance in a vaccuum is absolutely meaningless.

[Ginger-12314]

Mercy wasn’t all-encompassing or with no drawbacks. She had no AoE healing, no burst healing, can’t fight off attackers (flying away is not the same as fighting off), has to be within moderately close range of the person she’s healing, and contributes signficantly less damage, even counting damageboost.

[Affinity-12848]

When nano had speed, Ana’s dmg was higher and Lucio was a must pick because of his speed? Those characters don’t function the same way anymore so we can’t compare now and then.

[Quest-11845]

Yeah dude, in the context of Silver, I can say Tracer needs MASSIVE buffs. Borderline unplayable. In the context of OWL? Nerf that cheeky little…

My problem with Mass rez in this game is not based on how it plays out practically. Balance wise, it wasn’t a problem. Neither was Scatter. LOOK AT HANZO NOW.

The thing is, I see NO REASON why Mass Rez, operating on a 1 button press = 1-5 people rezzed, needs to be in this game. At all.

As far as Rez goes I think 1 button press = 1 rez is the BEST HEALTHIEST way to implement and keep rez in this game. Now design whatever fun way of applying that to the game you want, I don’t care. But no return to 1:1-5 is all I’m saying.

I see no reason to consider otherwise, and what you said, really does not address any of that.

That make sense? Like it doesn’t matter to me how effective hide and rez was. I don’t like how the mechanic of mass rez interacted with the game. Just like how Scatter Arrow interacted with the game. Doesn’t mean I’m happy about either rework.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Well ofc. Mercy got reworked… I’m talking about her old kit… Mercy’s old kit had drawbacks.