We inventing terms now, boys.
You’re arguing semantics because you don’t like the term personal information as it makes the issue more legit and you want to delegitimize it.
Based on what evidence? How does it spread toxicity?
If you want to make such bold claims that contradict people’s average experience then you’d better have something more solid to actually convince anybody.
You have 2 tracer mains; one climbed to 3500 for the first time and another dropped from GM to 3500.
Ok, i admit its only a game and you should play what you want, but the fact is that if the first Tracer instalocks her, he/she decreases change of winning by a fat marging, i played through every single season since S1 and i saw this so many times. Its just one example.
And on top on that, i know naturality of players, if there will be few hidden profiles, they will sadly be bullied hard for hiding something, unaccepted. Or if there will be more hidden profile, teams will judge you that you show your stats to enemy team and so.
I cant see any positive outcome of this in any case, no matter how hard i try… but only time will tell.
Not arguing semantics.
Is a online handle personal? Should I not be able to see your name at all now? Should I not know that you have elected to use Bogrim as your name? No, because knowing how to address you enables a means of differentiating you from others in the thread.
The same applies to anything non-personal tied to that handle. Game statistics are not personal information. Winrates, hours spent on a hero, your rank, and etc are not associated with you as a person but are only statistics connected to a virtual gaming environment.
That is not semantics. That is fact.
Are you going to try and dispute that online toxicity has nothing to do with anonymity? Are you going to argue the idea that less information equals a less toxic environemt?
It is really easy to see where this is going. Someone does poorly in a round, teammate looks at profile, cannot see any information on that profile because it is hidden. As a result targets them because they must suck at that hero and are hiding their hours because of it.
Its not hard to see this coming. Its going to be extremely disheartening to see and I will derive no joy from watching the toxic behavior become worse.
I understand that out of those two tracers one is the “better pick” but nobody has the right to tell them at any given time that they aren’t “allowed” to play whomever they want. While winning is the goal in comp, it isn’t only accomplished by putting the player with the best stats on whatever character. Stats can tell you who aims better but don’t tell you who deals with pushes better or knows when to back off better. In the end those two tracers should hash it out in a civil manner, and if one feels they need to “lie” to prove they should be tracer… let them play. It’s obviously more important to them that they get to play the character than to win. They’ll fall in rank and you’ll likely not see them again soon.
considering the default is hidden, I’m pretty sure the norm will be hidden. Truly though, time will tell.
The whole point of private profiles is so people don’t see your most played heroes so you’re not stuck playing that same hero every match. Even endorsement level 5 people will keep asking you to pick that hero even if not in a toxic way.
This.
More filters, such as sr range, heroes, etc.
I’d also love the idea of a certain endorsement level can see profile option, because if you’ve gotten enough endorsements for lets say level 3+ you’re probably not toxic, and won’t ‘bully’ someone for their hours.
It’s not a fact at all. This information is about a specific person. This by definition it’s personal information. The fact that it’s about a “virtual gaming environment” is irrelevant.
I take it you live in the real world.
I see, thanks for constructive exchange of opinions, i appreciate it. We will have to see.
Have a great day!
(Proceeds to argue semantics.)
Yes, an online handle is personal information. If someone in your life was told your online handle then they would be able to look up a lot of the things you said online. Likewise, your online handle can be used to dox you.
You seem to treat all personal information the same without context. Knowing my preference of muffins is personal information, but doesn’t do anything when we’re out jogging . Knowing it when we’re at the muffin store and there’s only one left and you use that information to grab my favorite out of spite suddenly makes it relevant.
Information, however innocent it may seem, can be used for malicious intent given the right context. And information about the player’s hero preferences in a gaming match tends to be used as a means to bully their hero choice.
I feel like Sombra explaining these things to you.
If your argument is that people are toxic because they are anonymous, then again context to the information is important. Knowing someone’s hero preference is not relevant the toxicity of anonymity because those are not the bases that trigger the lack of psychological responsibility, but simply act as tools to attack someone.
After Moira nerf some healers will switch to dd or tanks, and we don’t want to listen again and again “play healer, you are healer main”.
Said it before and I’ll say it again.
Should we also make the pros stats after OWL games private ?
Right now they do side by side comparisons of players stats that both used the same character, surely this community considers this toxic aswell !
Apples and oranges. The whole point of OWL is to show the matches to the general public and make money out of it. The pros gets paid this way and they consent to it. You and I don’t get paid for making our matches public.
if someone in your life gets a hold of your online handle they have access to your gaming information. That is it.
You cannot be dox’d via your online handle. It requires getting access to PERSONAL information such as about you that is HIDDEN already . If they get this information it is not because of your online handle but because you did something to expose yourself to them. Such as leak your RL name, address, your account password, and etc.
Personal information is what you do in your real life. Games are not real life and what you do in a game does not pertain to you as a person. Knowing about what muffin you like is part of your real life. KNowing if you are at the muffin store is part of real life.
Information on its own is just that. Information. The amount of protection a piece of information receives should be equal to the threat it would have on you as a person if someone were to get it. Your credit card information ending up in a strangers hand would be devastating.
Are you honestly going to tell me that someone using mean words in a VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT is equal to that of your credit card being stolen? Are you honestly going to tell me that me knowing what hero’s you prefer playing is equally as detrimental as me knowing your email address or phone number?
The context we are talking about here is people refusing to deal with “bullying” in a mature and adult way and ignoring them but rather treating information that has nothing to do with them as a person (if you are so personally invested in a game that it becomes personal you may need some help) as personal and hiding it.
This does nothing but further propagate an atmosphere of fear and mistrust amongst gamer’s. This does nothing but spread toxic behavior as it widen’s the list of targets from just people who main specific hero’s to ANYONE who hides their profile for any reason.
Toxic people exist and as long as they do they are going to find something to latch onto no matter how vague to target people with. Hiding one’s career profile gives them just as much a shield as it does their targets.
And removing those “tools” will do nothing to stop them. They do not require specific information to be toxic or bully someone. All they need is one slip up or bad call on a players part and they have all they need. In fact all they need is to be in the same lobby as another player.
Removing helpful tools from those who do NOT use them for ill purposes does nothing. Removing it from those who DO use them for ill purposes is equally ineffective.
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So basically, nullify half the point of hiding profiles?
No. The whole point of competitive is to be competitive and not hide your stats. Privacy should have literally nothing to do with this. It’s not a social media profile. You don’t have ANY personal information like your phone number or pictures, only stats. It’s quite pathetic.
Your reply has nothing to do with what I said.
And hiding the personal stats or not has absolutely nothing to do with how competitive someone is.
You imply that because we don’t get paid we should be allowed to hide our stats in a competitive environment. My reply is pointing out that I think that point of view is pathetic.
Do I need your permission now to stream a game you are playing in ? Would this be violating your privacy if I did not get permission?
Assuming that’s all you use your handle for.
What if I play games in my real life?
But I think the core issue of your understanding of this topic is right here:
What you’re saying is “you should grow thicker skin and ignore it,” which is fair advice.
But.
People are different. Saying “this is the adult way” isn’t anymore of an argument than saying “adults aren’t supposed to play so many hours of video games,” (which my generation at least has all heard from their parents) but in the end you’re just projecting how you think people should behave.
So here’s my “adult” advice to you: You just have to accept that not everybody is gonna fit into the same bracket, and that sometimes you may get allies who aren’t as good at dealing with bullies as you are and need to hide their information. A good people person would be able to work with these players regardless.
Absolutely. I’d love it if this becomes the norm.
Also bolding competitive doesn’t make your argument any less ridiculous, BTW.