You should actually trust Overbuff but just not now. You need to know the context and how to read the data. Overbuff is broken this season so don’t bother looking at it. The other problem is that ranks are squished in the middle and there are few players in higher ranks since S9 so high rank data isn’t reliable anymore but it was reliable before S9. So if you wanna see the actual reliable data, you should check all ranks combined data in a season where the system work. It doesn’t work right now.
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He got gutted mate. Can you read patch notes?
Since Blizz is now all customer focused, perhaps they could see their way to providing us with a portal to see accurate statistics so we can hold conversations based around them instead of wasting our time arguing about whether OB is accurate or not.
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I agree. It would be nice if Blizzard actually gave data. In the meantime, the best source of information, really the only source of information, is top 500 pick rates. I did some work on that.
AKJ might find it believable.
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They play for 2 weeks and than they camp. Dunno about the reliability on that. Per example Mcree got gutted mid season patch. Now he is not even near good enough for games.
The problem is that it is the only form of data we have since Blizz does not provide it. It is not an accurate tool because Blizz itself makes this information difficult, it serves as a basis.
Blizz hides information so that when it needs to use it, it can use it in the way it sees fit without question.
An example is the queue time, they give the data and there is no way to dispute this data since they have never disclosed this data openly without intention.
Do you trust Blizz’s information? I prefer to trust Overbuff, less corp involved.
The devs follow orders, do you think PVE was canceled after launch? Don’t you think it’s strange that they rushed and launched PVP separately? I think the look of shame Aaron had when the cancellation was announced was that of a person ashamed of himself.
We all have bills to pay and families to take care of, if it weren’t for him it would be someone else, I understand that.
But the information has lost credibility.
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Bruh, anybody that played OW1 can corroborate that queue time data
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Only the most picked hero in T500 
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Holy hell are some people not reading the thread properly… and wilfully ignorant. Honestly cba.
Yes, and imagine getting this data from people
First, people should report this data and second, they could lie about this data since people are chaotic (hard to predict).
And I’m not saying that the data shown is not true, after all, I have a really long queue times
What I’m saying is that the data is not reliable because it can be manipulated.
And since I lived through that time, he could simply use the fact of my perception and manipulate the way the data was presented to use my knowledge as proof for his arguments.
The queues were high because no one played tanks, but no one played tanks because playing tanks was miserable because they abandoned the game, so abandoning the game was what made the queue high.
So even if you keep the data, you manipulate it to induce a conclusion.
Since they don’t present the data passively (without reasons) and the company that presents the information has no credibility, nothing that is official will be reliable.
These dramatic numerical differences are far different than what I was reading like a year ago from their site. It’s strange, because it never was like this or else we’d always be showing screenshots of exaggerated numbers and stating “See tell me how this makes sense” in arguments on these threads.
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To me, it sounds like you didn’t play OW1, at least after role queue
And if you did, you’re not remembering very well the awful queue times for damage players
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It stopped being accurate the minute they added private profiles…
I can prove beyond any shadow of doubt that Overbuff is wrong. I can’t prove that the data Blizzard provides is wrong. So I can either trust Blizzard or I can have no information in most cases.
I do have another post with top 500 data taken directly from the leaderboard. So unless that’s wrong, we do at least have that.
I can look at my own queue times over the years because I’ve been playing since June 2016. And I can corroborate that the numbers they published look right based on what I saw for myself and when I watched streamers. So I can at least say their data sounds correct based on my own experience.
T500 is a subset of players in the Master/GM range. It’s also a fairly steep requirement of 50 wins before you show up in the T500 leaderboards. A lot of high ranking players are not playing just Overwatch these days, so a lot of their data will not be available in the T500 leaderboard. Then there’s also the matter of private profiles still existing in the game. We would easily have more accurate data, without private profiles, across all ranks. There would likely be no question. Private profiles are also just a hindrance to everyone and should be removed.
I’ve been playing since beta Ow1, I’m not saying that the DPS queues weren’t long (I remember Kragie waiting for hours meme stream), what I’m saying is that the reason they’re long isn’t because you have to wait for 2 tanks, but because Blizzard abandoned the game and left the role in a miserable state.
They are using the data, but not telling the whole story behind the data.
Your perception is wrong about me and you think mine is wrong, so seeking information from people isn’t reliable.
Don’t think I doubt your research, I don’t disagree that the overbuff data is wrong, I agree with that. What I meant was that Blizzard saying the data isn’t accurate is ironic since they themselves don’t passively provide this data and have a history of manipulating information. Do I have to remind you that Bobby Boy did this?
https://kotaku.com/bobby-kotick-actually-wrote-fran-townsends-deranged-co-1848069983
The company is no longer trustworthy, and the cancellation of PVE has a lot of shady dealings and lies where the devs are involved. So what I’m saying is that Blizzard is trustworthy And seeing them use data to justify or contest something is ironic.
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As soon as you give us a source with more trustworthy data, we can ignore the data Overbuff provides. But as long “your feeling” is the only source you and other people have, Overbuff will hold more value to the discussion.
We know Overbuff is not 100% accurate, but we already said MULTIPLE TIMES that its the only tool we have.
Also the screeshot does not really proove anything only that the comment said “Midrank data is more accurate than high level data”.
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Imagine a hero being so spoiled that being S tier is considered trash…
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Feelings are more accurate than unreliable and factually incorrect data
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