Why is mccree still a shield/tank buster?

[EFFECT-21855]

@여자응디-3120

Because Mccree is the devs favourite child, along with Tracer. He is so overbuffed that he outshines every other dps in almost every department. He is tanky with the 225hp , does the most consistent dmg out of any hitscans, the best shield busting out of the hitscans, shuts down flankers with his flashbang, eats tanks with his rightclick. There is NOTHING and i really mean NOTHING that this hero cant do. His ONLY! weakness is his low mobility.

If he is so busted why are you plat? Using such a busted hero should make you 4.3k at least
There is not a single dps hero in the cast busted right now.

Overwatch Balance since years:
TANK>SUP>DPS.

[Yara-11173]

@Arcadius-11555

I’m not exactly sure we should change heroes depending on what the current year is

Very popular with the Kardashians honey.

[Arcadius-11555]

Yeah it’s a little bit different context there…

[xx9-1969]

@BroomLord-1424

also flashbang
this thing has a massive radius and stuns you for almost a second
nerf flashbang too please
(oh also why does it do 50 damage, dps players got mad that brig bash did good damage but no flashbang fine for some reason)

Imagine the outrage if Flashbang was added on a post-launch hero.

Everyone just accepts it because it’s been there from the start.

[Yin-1797]

@GreyFalcon-11737

5v5 isn’t going to be able to tolerate a 625 damage combo in 1.7sec that has a 0.8sec stun.

Factor in mitigation from armor. Factor in healing rates. Factor in barriers. That damage shrinks down quite a bit.

I mean again, 180 damage in one second is a lot of damage in one second. In two seconds that’s 360 damage. But the reality is, that’s not always going to happen when miss rates are still incredibly high.

@Arcadius-11555

You have to compensate for both teams missing a whopping 400-600 HP. You’re not gonna do that without touching every hero’s kit

It’s more than that. You’re looking at anywhere between 900 to 2100 health at any given time.

@Arcadius-11555

And McCree was created at launch with burst damage in mind

All damage heroes were.

@Yara-11173

For OW2 I rather still the removal of non-tank non-ult stuns.

Unlikely to happen. Blizzard seems more than happy to let Ana continue to use Sleep Dart. And for Lucio to continue to have Soundwave.

@Yara-11173

Hack/Bash punishes the strongest flankers a lot less than they do punish Ball, Hog, Winston, Rein. That’s half the role right there.

False. One stun is death for Flankers like Tracer, Genji, Reaper, and more. When Hacked, Tracer loses her mobility to blink and rewind. And post-Bash, Tracer can lose 50% of her health from Whipshot plus a basic swing.

Reinhardt still has his barrier to protect against Bash and Hack, still has his cleaving damage from his hammer. Wrecking Ball may be more vulnerable, but his barrier will keep him alive even after a Hack or a Bash (provided he turned it on prior).

@EFFECT-21855

If he is so busted why are you plat? Using such a busted hero should make you 4.3k at least
There is not a single dps hero in the cast busted right now.

No, this is false.

Certain damage heroes are struggling for relevancy, but that doesn’t mean that some heroes aren’t overpowering. Tracer is a fairly good example of this, and the fact that McCree is being picked as a means to deal with her solely (along with other reasons) suggests that there’s some overuse here that indicates some issues of more problematic designs.

@EFFECT-21855

Overwatch Balance since years:
TANK>SUP>DPS.

That’s the overall power ranking; not necessarily how the game’s balance has always been.

[Yara-11173]

@Arcadius-11555

Yeah it’s a little bit different context there…

Geez, you think?

Glad to have you back with us then.

[McMercee-1378]

Say, you guys call a dps’s burst combo cheese and no brain. But a Shield Tank pressing a button while looking at a general direction to block hundreds, or thousand damage for the whole team is in any way much more skillful?

No one ever stops to wonder just how much free values Shield Tanks provide? No one ever questions why Shieldless comp is borderline throwing for most ranks?

[Arcadius-11555]

@Yin-1797

It’s more than that. You’re looking at anywhere between 900 to 2100 health at any given time.

Not even going into effective health because I just want to keep it simple

@Yara-11173

Geez, you think?

Glad to have you back with us then.

Thanks for a warm welcome