🤔 Why I want Jeff to talk about Off Supports (Like Sym)

[Doomfish-21368]

Could do a list here… but again don’t have the time.

[Lias-11313]

Makes me wonder… where is Sym in their goals?

Don’t think they have goals for their heroes

They just exist to perpetuate a specific design of playstyle and if its good, cool, if its not, oh well as long as is its objectively breaking the game in some way

[ThiccBuddha-1468]

She is literally just a usable version of Symmetra that can fly. She shares way more with Sym than Pharah.

[Doomfish-21368]

and somehow “Tracer” was added to the building blocks during development.

[Shadow-119113]

Because Echo is just better, plain as day.

This applies to every other DPS as well. She’s nothing like Sym except having a beam, that’s a huge stretch.

[Terx2-1856]

I think you being rude to him about a trivial issue while he commented on a Spanish dude sharing his tale of OWL bring a small community together might be a reason why.

For reference.

OFFTOPIC: My job, Covid-19 and OWL

Hello, I am a Spanish boy, I wrote this story in the Spanish forums and they recommended me to tell it here. I work in a health center, more specifically in a residence for people with mental disabilities. I’m going to tell you a little story about the confinement caused by the coronovirus here, and how the OWL has been giving a few of us a smile in these hard days. One quiet morning about a year ago, a person we’re going to call ‘‘S’’ from now on asked me how I was and what had I been doing. …

[KevinAteNine-1753]

How is Echo similar to Sym? Because she has a beam for like 5 seconds? Zarya is a better comparison and even then I don’t think so. Sym is unique…

[Doncroft-1375]

And then they release a hero who is very similar to Sym…

How is Echo similar to Symmetra? They don’t seem alike in any way other than aesthetic.

[Jordalicious-2214]

Echo:

• Left-Click: A high fire-rate shotgun like projectile as a primary fire
• Right-Click: A rapid-fire burst of bombs on a cooldown
• E: A mid-range beam that does more damage on low health targets
• L Shift+Passive: Can fly/Grants increased multi-directional mobility
• Ultimate: Duplicates any enemy hero and gain increased ultimate charge as that hero

Symmetra:

• Left-Click: A mid range beam where damage ramp over time, gaining ammo from barriers as a primary fire
• Right-Click: A slowly charging orb that travels slowly that does damage on impact as a secondary fire
• E: A teleport that moves herself and team between two fixed points
• L Shift: 3 turret charges that slow enemy movement and deal damage
• Ultimate: A high HP barrier that span the entire map

The only vague similarity they share is they both have a beam…sometimes.

Echo is a high-mobility high-burst hero designed to flank the enemy team.

Symmetra is a front-line damage dealer with consistent damage with decent team utility.

Their kits share no similarities, not even in their purpose.

[Doomfish-21368]

Ult are both powerful supportive abilities

Both have a mobile option- Teleporter/ flight

Both have beams with special bonuses

(Could go on… but need to do grocery shopping)

[MrTickles-1464]

Those are apples to oranges in comparisons. Functionally and mechanically so far apart.

This is a stretch so huge you’re doing half court slam dunks.

[Doomfish-21368]

Sorry that I didn’t have time to explain

Wishing somebody else went over this

Because these two DPS heroes are similar

[MrTickles-1464]

If you don’t have time to explain then don’t create a thread.

[Doomfish-21368]

People forget and then ignore and then silence and …

[taco-12703]

Those are apples to oranges in comparisons. Functionally and mechanically so far apart.

Uhh… uhhhhh… I’m no fruitologist (is that a word?), but I’m pretty sure apples and oranges functionally and mechanically are extremely similar.

[MrTickles-1464]

Do you typically eat the peel on am orange? Do apples have convient slices already? Do they taste the same.

The only thing they have in common is that they are fruit.

[Doomfish-21368]

They are both Dps heroes

[Jordalicious-2214]

Those are the most vague defenses for an argument I’ve ever heard. If you can’t be bothered to support your argument, then stop trying to have an argument.

[taco-12703]

The only thing they have in common is that they are fruit.

Fruit, with seeding, that come from similar sources, grown from different trees that grow nearly identically, that are both used as food, that are often interchanged, with similar market prices, sold at the same places…

Yes they’re quite different, but more alike than different. The irony is that the idiom is supposed to represent a false analogy, but is one itself. It’s a really stupid idiom.

[Sprklmufin-1212]

Ult are both powerful supportive abilities

the Swiss Army knife that is Echo’s Ult is not just a “supportive Ult”. It’s so anti-Pure-support that the devs didn’t try to make Echo a support

Sym’s Ult enables and protects her team, it creates space.

Echo’s Ult can essentially do anything depending on the situation. It can literally become a DPS Ult like dragon blade or CC Ult like blizzard or earthshatter. You can compare Echo’s Ult to every hero and have a point.

Both have a mobile option- Teleporter/ flight

So based on this logic… reaper and Pharah are similar because teleport and flight? Or Sombra and Pharah? That’s a huge stretch

There’s also the fact the TP can be used for teammates and Flight is a solo thing.

Both have beams with special bonuses

Sym always has her beam and echo’s is temporary. Like others on this thread have already stated… they aren’t that similar no matter how hard you stretch your imagination.

You’d find more similarities between Zarya/Sym than Sym/echo.
Zarya/Sym both have: Damage changing Beam primary weapons, shield health AND barriers.