Considering you’re asking for a change to QP, it is relevant. You not agreeing with it doesn’t make it pathetic or off-topic. Sorry not sorry that not everyone agrees on you about what is fun and good for the game.
I personally think role lock has made the game more fun than it has been in ages.
Your enemy will always be able to do the same as you with any of the rulesets. You can swap to counter within your role in most scenarios.
The most popular is Mystery Heroes, which is permanent. People would rather roll the dice than play No Limits in straightforward way. Constantly facing off against stacks of the same hero just isn’t fun to many people.
Obvious missed word error is obvious. Removal should be there.
Total amount of comps is different from total viable comps. Lacks of limits allows players to simply use more of whatever is most effective reducing the overall viability of most heroes. Less limits on options makes for more permutations which leads to more chance for something to be brokenly strong. It’s an issue with many games. Players will optimize the fun out of a game and take the easiest path. No limits gives them more chance to do so.
I am talking in general here. No limits leads to players just using multiple of whatever is strong reducing the viable hero pool. This is common in many games with choice of characters, units, upgrade paths, etc. If you can use multiple of the same thing, and one choice is near optimal, then players will simply use multiple of that choice.
Yes just quote me out of context and ignore how I was pointing out that the more options actually leads to less viable ones. You are completely missing the point. Number of options =/= number of viable options. Increasing number of options increases chance of one option being too strong and reduces the viability of other options. This is why no limits generally lead to multiple of the same character being used. Winston landing on someone is 50 damage, two of them doing so is 100 damage, that ability for both tanks to leap on someone made double winston huge. But even without hero limits people started stacking roles. Tanks and healers in this game can do decent damage, so rather then run dps heroes we had multple instances of dropping them and just running more healers and tanks as they offered more sustain. Why run dps when you can simply sustain, maintain point presence and deal good damage without them? People will figure out what is strongest and abuse that strength. No limits simply allows them to do that even more.
Re-read that. I’m saying people will use whatever is strongest. I’m not saying “I’m getting abused” I’m saying the community will figure out whatever is the most consistent heroes to win and simply use those heroes over everything else. It happens both with and without limits, but limits reduce the ability to use one thing to the exclusion of all else.
Once again number of comps =/= number of viable comps. Reducing limits increases number of comps, but that increases the ability of players to double down on what’s best reducing overall viability of everything else. Increasing the number of options often leads to reducing number of viable options.
Only if the double bunker team is completely stupid. You don’t set up 2 Orisa/2 Bastion/2 Moira as one single bunker. You set it up as 2 separate units. In line of sight of each other and thus able to support and defend each other, but out of EMP range of each other.
Sombra can only EMP one of the fixed locations. And then her team dies to the other Bastian and Orisa when they try to move on the EMP’d units.
It nearly forces 2-2-2. You’re joking right? DPS players have to wait over five minutes for one game…
When its supposed to be QUICKplay.
The “everyone” you’re pointing at is either a troll or somebody who is whining for a change to a hero (Symmetra for instance) because they don’t know how to counter properly. Implementing no limits within role queue QP would actually bring some balance because more availability becomes open.
Even if you were to face two of the same hero, there is an easy solution to that. Two of the counters. Role queue is designed to prevent hero stacking already.
Doesn’t always work, because if you’re a support hero that is dishing out a decent HPS that needs to switch because of one hero, then your team isn’t doing their job. That, and they’ll be minus one dependable support.
Due to availability. If Total Mayhem was up longer, I have a feeling it would beat Mystery Heroes:
What actually could be theorized is if Mystery Heroes is actually more balanced than the current QP. That would be hilarious.
Mystery Heroes proves you demonstrably wrong, though. Just because “no mods, no masters” is fun for you because you can pick whatever your main is regardless of the team comp, doesn’t mean that 4 Orisa barrier hell is fun to play into.
No. I am not joking. I may have to wait longer for the games, but they are higher quality. 100%. Quality matters more to me than quantity. I just play on my phone between matches.
Nope. Not even remotely true. A LOT of people like things as they are because they are enjoying the quality of their matches. You can look all over these forums and see people happy about the changes.
There is ofc a lot of people who like this change. The devs wouldn’t have done it if a lot of people hadn’t wanted it.
True of all counterplay strategies.
Nope. Devs have stated that the frequency of the game modes changes how often they appear. They made Mystery Heroes permanent because it was by far the most played.
Quickplay gets more players than any arcade mode. If that were to change, devs would do something about QP.
Right now we have zero reason to believe that is the case.
So your proposal is to allow duplicate heroes in the 2-2-2 framework? How does that change anything besides allowing you to play your main regardless of team comp?
Because what is worse than one Mei? Two Mei’s.
What’s counter’s Mei? Pharah. What’s worse than Pharah? Two Pharah’s.
Also, because of team incompetence, some players decide to be lazy, and pretend not how to play their hero. Or they actually don’t know how to play him or her at all.
I look on the forums, and I don’t see one positive thread. Not one. Most of them are game idea threads. Others are either nerfs or buffs about a hero. The funniest one (imo) is this one:
Some wouldn’t be so bad like say McCree but so much of the cast would just be such a slog to take down that even if you won, it would be an awful match.
Like I love Sombra. She’s one of most played and beloved heroes. But two of her is god awful. It’s pretty rare to double up on hack, but with 2 Sombras it wouldn’t be.
Maybe not threads because most people who are gonna make a thread are gonna do so to complain. But if you go in the threads themselves you will see plenty of people who like the change, and plenty of people who do not.
It’s a controversial change with a lot of people on both sides.