Why 5v5 is a bad change

I feel like people are going to be missing those barriers, because all roles are going to be dying more often in OW2. Like some people will unironically miss double barrier.

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Youā€™ve been programmed to rely on tank players. Time to move on and have solo impact instead of hoping your tanks do everything. Use natural cover like every other FPS.

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1/2/2 is the lazy design choice when you donā€™t want to add more tanks.

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But some people still have to play tank.

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Youā€™re thinking about this from a DPS/support perspective. This change completely destroys what people enjoy about playing tanks.

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How? Iā€™d love to solo tank and s*** on everybody because I do more damage, I have triple everyones HP, I have a better ult and more utility. Why does every tank player just think they are a sponge and there is 5 people attacking them at all times? Such whiners itā€™s insane.

So current DPS players will take over the tank role? I canā€™t necessarily disagree with that. Itā€™s entirely possible they just said screw the current tank pop. The sad thing is, for those like me itā€™s what kept us playing the game since release - we donā€™t have many other options. While the DPS players have plenty.

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you know Iā€™ve been defending devs for quite a while now but even I canā€™t bring myself to say itā€™s not a lazy choice, it most certainly is and in all honesty it hurts to actually say it

sometimes the easiest route is the right one but not this time and Iā€™m afraid they wonā€™t listen

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The game itself will be significantly worse in all aspects, but apparently DPS queues are worth ruining the game for.

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Believe it or not, people actually enjoy playing tanks to, you know, tank? If I wanted to run in and kill people, Iā€™d play DPS.

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Hammond isnā€™t a main tank below Masters ELO.

If anything, given the difficulty of balancing Hammond with less CC, and CC resistance passives for Tanks.

My guess is Hammond becomes a DPS in OW2. Say around 350HP, with a 20% smaller character model. (But fix the zipline length).

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I think they will change it or add 6v6

I keep trying to tell this to people, but no one seems to get it. For instance if you donā€™t like Mercy or Reinhardt, you arenā€™t supposed to like them. There are balanced, changing them to fit someoneā€™s play-style who doesnā€™t play them is equivocal to ruining the hero for those that enjoy them how they are.

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Did you just call Ball an off tank? Lmao

Heā€™s 1) a main tank and 2) literally the best solo tank throughout the history of the game.

Ball solo tank 4 DPS Mercy solo heal comp was literally meta during GOATs

Also the fact that you think Winston will be a bad solo tank ā€œbecause he leaves the backline openā€ just shows you donā€™t understand how Overwatch works.

You arenā€™t supposed to be encouraged to play passive and overly defensive, youā€™re supposed to go be aggressive and apply pressure. If you have a backline with a Winston comp, it should only be Mercy/Zen and any ranged DPS you have. You donā€™t need another tank to bodyguard or babysit them. Thatā€™s the support playerā€™s job.

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And thats ALL that matters! :crazy_face:

Fun? No thank you!

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Obviously there are going to be changes to tanks. Your post completely ignores that as you sound like you are assuming current version off tanks will be solo tanking.

Iā€™m willing to try. I can see the devs wanting more fluid / faster paced fights. And given all the spots maps have for flanks etc . . . it helps that.

The tanks will need to be reworked so they can counter each othe and cover the second tank roles . . . Despite all is said and done, tanks help establish space with pushing carts or holding on to the robot. Rein and Zar are in a good place but other tanks not so, when going toe to toe with brawls and countering the other tanks.

Tanks like dva or hog (or even winston) will need some rework as they canā€™t push off rein or zar (say all else is equal like dps and support) off a cart because they can shield bubble from long range stuff and dva canā€™t rack up enough damage to win the 1 v 1. And it might be by design of 6 v6 because two tanks could cover for their deficiencies .

On other side of the coin, tanks like diva, ball, and winston can peel like no tomorrow, rein can charge away, but hog, oris, zar canā€™t so some rework will have to be done to help peel. Sure hog can hook but its not the same as a tank thatā€™s your face . . .

The devs didnā€™t even show orisa off as they havenā€™t figured out her rework in 5 v 5. Also they only showed dva vs dva (one team later went zar) . . .

5 v5 open queue, this might be interesting but might be just like 6 v 6 open (most people run 1 tank and 1 healer in open anyways)

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Not this tank main. I play tank to be the tip of the spear, for the rush of trying to control where and when engagements happen. To make space for my team to do work, and make it as impossible as possible for red team to do theirs.

I play a ton of Winston. Winston isnā€™t looking to protect his team. He can, and will, and I do. Frequently. But itā€™s more about taking off angles, harassing support lines and forcing red team to make choices. Peel or lose your supports. Back off and give up positioning or stay and deal with Monkey. I donā€™t want to be in front of my team, I want to behind THEIRS. Thatā€™s my role. That doesnā€™t change one bit in OW2. In fact, it looks like Winston is getting better, with ranged damage as an option.

I feel for anyone who thinks this destroys their OW experience. But I donā€™t agree. I think this makes tank play more important, raises the level of potential skill expression in EVERY role, and puts the emphasis of tank play on strategic decision making. Which is where I think it belongs. Youā€™re welcome to disagree, but donā€™t speak for all tank players when you arenā€™t all tank players, please.

Iā€™m really curious how many people making this statement actually main tank and would be shocked if itā€™s not close to 0%. It really reeks of ā€˜I have no idea why people main tank in the first placeā€™.

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As an extremely aggressive tank player - I really honestly do hope youā€™re right brother. I guess Iā€™m just a bit cynical as thereā€™s not been many things Blizz has done since release Iā€™d call a pleasant surprise.

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