And now Ana’s stats are ridiculous, so now what? Are we gonna buff back up the other healers or nerf her down to theirs?
Something is required to change and I doubt you’d settle for either option given biases.
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The only other options besides Ana for similar competitions are Bap and Moira. However Bap is weak and Moira is Moira.
Can we not nerf a support for once? This is starting to become a fetish.
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If we don’t actually nerf ana down to the level of other healers, she will remain meta till blizzard gives us new broken shiny support to play with, then nerfs said support down to the ground for being broken and Ana can once again take the throne because she’s never being nerfed to the level of other supports. And people keep on foolishly thinking it’s just “ana needs competition”, when she’s clearly better than the rest.
Rinse and repeat.
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Why is she ridiculous?
If you nerf her, you break her, she is out.
Reducing anti-nade to 50% is still a death sentence, because you can’t outheal the incoming damage
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She isn’t a must pick? She’s not always run in the pro level, and she’s a popular hero in ranked because she’s fun. Same with Reinhardt. Look back across seasons, she’s always been played on ladder a fair bit due to how fun she is, despite whether or not she’s been meta. Moth meta was different. I love playing Mercy, but even I have to admit that the enemy having a Mercy and you not meant you basically were playing an 8v6, and that this was doable at all ranks, from bronze up to OWL.
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…do you even play Ana? You can literally wait for them to jump you.
Not that much was added, IIRC 4 shots, 10 damage, removal of armor DoT interactions, and the nano heal. I’ve already said that the latter is extraneous, but removing it hardly makes any other support pairings viable.
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Ana was F-tier back when she didn’t have her Nano Boost burst heal and Winston & D.Va were strong.
Winston & D.Va counter Ana harder than anything else in the game, but Dive hasn’t been able to return in any form due to Brigitte’s presence within the game.
Let Dive come back as a viable composition and so many problems with the current game will be solved in some form (Mercy & Zenyatta not being viable, Sustain DPS not being as strong, Ana & Reinhardt dominance).
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Not really, all they need to do is revert the unnecessary nerf to his healing back to 60 per shot.
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all of the supports could be actual garbage but if one of them is healing slightly more, we would want to nerf it.
There’s no such fantasy of everything being an equal amount of viable.
When you nerf the best, A second-best takes its place and becomes of the best and then you ask for that to be NERFED and then the chain continues
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It just means that ana cannot use anti-heal offensively to cripple enemy defence with a press of a button, and has to use grenade purely defensively which is far, far less powerful application of the anti-heal.
Nothing cripples enemy trying to push with a nanoboosted rein as much as slapping him with an anti.
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If nade wasn’t also her only means of self-sustain, you might have a point. Ana DOES have a downside, she’s susceptible to pressure. Force her to made herself.
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I would say we nerf her because buffing everyone constantly makes mains and one tricks happy in the short term but is very unhealthy for the game in the long run.
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In other words, this is entirely a dive viability problem.
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You aren’t wrong. But also at the higher levels, you have D.Vas and Reinhardts looking for that. High-level D.Vas have a big responsibility on Anti-nades. It is counterable, and harder to land the higher in SR you go
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That downside applies to every hero in the game. Also you are doing the balance in a vacuum fallacy, the year is 2020 and we have this thing called role queue which means 100% of the time Ana has another support player ready to back her up.
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Bap enabled hypersustain. Not everyone gets it, but if you played support before GOATS you know how damage works:
Your team bleeds out, single target and weak aoe heal is not capable of outhealing distributed damage, thus team dies slowly but surely.
Bap and Moira negated this, especially in combination with tanks.
That’s why the forum cried “nothing dies”, buffing Bap and Moiras heal --> nothing dies
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Other character viability doesn’t make ana’s any less broken though. Or less deserving of nerfs. You’re not thinking of individual character strenghts.
Dive being viable has ana as the main support regardless.
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I’d say it’s always hard to land. Several times a match I find myself saying, “****ing Junkrat! Stop getting in my way! That 'nade was for our Rein!”
(context being that I wanted to 'nade the tank to burst heals. Teammates randomly jinking about trying to avoid damage tend to run in front of 'nade quite often, to the detriment of the aforementioned tank)
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The fact that she’s nearly a must pick. Any other hero would get a huge amount of flak for having her stats, having a hero be anywhere near 16.6% pickrate indicates there’s a huge balancing flaw in the system.
Well good thing they aren’t all completely garbage. Baptiste though was overnerfed definitely.
It’s more of the fact that her and Rein have a ridiculous amount of community bias toward them when it comes to balancing. Any other hero having THAT high presence would having forum posts raging and would be gutted within the coming weeks.
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As she should be. What’s the problem?