What's up with Mercy's winrate?

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Valkyrie is a jack of all trades, remotely insufficient in none.

[Lemoi356-1286]

Thats a much better complaint than most other complaints I’ve seen tbh and I do agree she could use more work but just seeing all these players that try to argue that old mercy was more interactive annoys me

[AK1174-1537]

Yeah. Exactly. Like take a tank main, who would he try and flex to, the hero that looks really hard and mechanically demanding, or the hero that supposedly needs to hold left click.

Most people are going to flex to mercy, without knowing the extensive areas of her kit and understanding them fully.

[Nesmie-1572]

I seriously do not understand this one. They gave mercy a new ability, Valk, that is by far the most interesting part of her kit and all these mercys on the forums saying its “spectator mode”. How is valk spectator mode but the rest of mercy is not? You can even be useful by shooting with your pistol in valk on targets like pharah or diving a widow

[Lemoi356-1286]

It does represent the a greater part tho because Reddit is by far the larger community

[BadWidowEU-2419]

[Citation Required] going to need numbers here…

[firedupsplit-2126]

Plus, Blizzard can’t silence Reddit.

[Crusher55-11700]

remotely insufficient in none.

This is a double negative so you said…

…remotely sufficient in all.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

I’m confused… Forgive my incompetence.

[firedupsplit-2126]

One of the core elements of Overwatch FROM THE VERY START was to switch heroes mid match.
If they wanted you to only play Mercy 24/7 they would not allow hero switching.

[Crusher55-11700]

It’s okay. It like how subtracting a negative number is the same thing as adding.

[SuccubusNTTV-1422]

They gave mercy a new ability, Valk, that is by far the most interesting part of her kit and all these mercys on the forums saying its “spectator mode”. How is valk spectator mode but the rest of mercy is not?

Valkyrie eliminates:

1. The need for Mercy to juggle beams.
2. The need for Mercy to position herself.
3. Any issues in maintaining altitude, since you hover by default.
4. Any ground-based danger whatsoever.

It’s rare that I find myself in any kind of danger at all, or that I feel I could have done anything better during Valkyrie. If a teammate dies in Mercy’s base form while I was trying to attend to someone else, I can question whether I should have prioritized them first. With Valkyrie, though, I just hold down M1 and if they die…(Reaper shrug).

Also, 9 times out of 10, the enemy don’t even bother shooting at me, because I’m not a harder target to kill than Pharah–whom we already KNOW people don’t bother shooting at.

[Lemoi356-1286]

It is one the most engaging ults in the game.

You can use it to dmg multiple people such as an ulting genji along with a visoring soldier for a guaranteed team wipe.

You can use it to heal the team in the middle of fights and if the other team does not have a counter valk then you are almost guaranteed a win.

You can use it as battle mercy as many high level support players do

There are many uses to Valk its just that players like you don’t want to accept that Valk is not useless as you try to make it

[firedupsplit-2126]

2 birds 1 high noon.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

I was just quoting it from someone. Here’s the full section:

@Titanium-1686

Why is this thing still an ultimate ability?

Functionality:

Valkyrie is a disgusting… pile? I’m trying to think of a good word to describe it…

Looks up synonyms for “pile”

“Conglomeration”.

Valkyrie is a disgusting conglomerate of existing abilities that were all thrown into a single ability with seemingly no regard for cohesion or player experience. There’s nothing original in Valkyrie.

Flight? Pharah has that.
Mediocre AoE healing? Hello, Moira, Lucio, and Ana.
AoE damage amplifier? Orisa.

As a result of trying to put all of these into one ability, the developers also made every ultimate that Valkyrie contends with (or tries to, anyway) simply outclass it. The ability can be summarized by “Jack of all trades, remotely sufficient in none”.

Valkyrie poses the opposite problem that Resurrect does. Rather than an ultimate placed behind a basic ability, Valkyrie is a basic ability placed behind an ultimate.

Let’s list what Valkyrie currently offers:

• Allows Mercy to fly in any direction at 9 meters/second. (5.5 is base walking speed for most heroes).
• Extends the range of Mercy’s beams from 15 meters to 30 meters.
• Extends the range of Guardian Angel from 30 meters to 50 meters.
• Mercy’s passive regeneration is no longer interrupted by damage.
• Mercy’s beams spread to all allies within 10 meters of the primary target.
• Guardian Angel’s flight speed is increased.
• Mercy’s pistol has infinite ammunition and a faster projectile speed.

If we were to cut this list down to the parts that actually have a direct influence on the fight, we would get:

• Mercy’s beams spread to all allies within 10 meters of the primary target.
• Mercy’s pistol has infinite ammunition and a faster projectile speed.

That’s it. Everything else either has no realistic use, or it just makes Mercy harder to kill… which doesn’t really matter being that she removes herself from the fight while using Valkyrie anyway.

Let’s throw these capabilities up against the ultimate abilities that are most comparable to Valkyrie: Transcendence and Supercharger.

Transcendence is very similar to the healing aspect of Valkyrie in several ways. Both heroes gain additional mobility upon activation. They both heal all five allies in a 10 meter radius around Zenyatta/the primary beam target. They both become (effectively) unkillable while using their respective ultimates. They are both unable to impact the fight in any way other than healing while healing their team with their ultimates; Zenyatta is a channeled ultimate, and Mercy is unable to heal and shoot at the same time.

What’s the difference between Transcendence and Valkyrie? Transcendence has five times the healing output (soon to be six!). Transcendence heals for 300 health/second on every target. Valkyrie heals for 60 health/second on every target. Valkyrie’s healing rate is simply blown out of the water by Transcendence.

Unfortunately, we do not have statistics that tell us exactly how much healing Mercy is doing through Valkyrie, but we do know that Mercy’s overall healing output really isn’t much higher than it was pre-rework. As of the day I am typing this (August 7th), Mercy’s average healing output is 12085. Her pre-rework healing numbers were around 11900. If we were to just assume that Valkyrie’s introduction is the only thing responsible for the current statistic, we would only be able to say that Valkyrie provides a bonus 200 healing/game on average. In contrast, Zenyatta averages 2259 Transcendence healing/game.

Supercharger is one of three ultimates that increase a player’s damage output, the other ones being Valkyrie and Nano-Boost. Its visuals are similar to the visuals of Valkyrie’s damage amplification beam, and both ultimates amplify the damage of all allies in an area around the Supercharger/primary beam target.

The similarities stop there, and just about every difference between the two abilities favors Supercharger over Valkyrie. For starters, Supercharger has fire-and-forget mechanics. Orisa can deploy it and resume playing as usual, as she does not need to channel the damage beams for them to be active. In contrast, Mercy becomes the supercharger, effectively removing the team’s main healer from the fight while she channels her damage beams. Furthermore, not only does Orisa get to participate in the fight while her ultimate is active, but she also receives the damage benefits from her own damage amplification. Valkyrie is five players and one buff dispenser; Supercharger is six players and one buff dispenser.

As if another source of damage was not enough for Supercharger to outclass Valkyrie’s damage amplifier, Supercharger also increases the damage of all affected targets by 50%, instead of Valkyrie’s 30%. On top of this, it also has a substantially larger AoE radius than Valkyrie; 25 meters. The one downside Supercharger has in comparison to Valkyrie is that it needs to be protected, but considering the rest of Orisa’s kit, that isn’t terribly difficult. She has her barrier to cover it and her hitbox is a good size to body-block enemies from attacking the drum, especially with Fortify to help her do so. The only good options there are to destroy the Supercharger are to flank or to get in close… neither of which are great ideas when the entire enemy team is dealing 150% of their normal damage output.

So… Valkyrie is totally outclassed in both the healing and damage amplification categories by other ultimates. Not only does the ability not have anything unique to its name, but it is simply worse in every category than its ultimate counterparts.

Valkyrie is really just a basic ability. Compare its impact to that of other supports’ basic abilities and that becomes clear:

• Amp It Up (healing aura): 46.8 health/second to all allies within 10 meters of Lucio. Lucio can shoot while this ability is active.
• Biotic Grenade: An instant 100 health when used on allies, along with a lingering healing amplification. When used on enemies, it deals 60 damage and leaves a lingering status effect that negates all healing received by those affected. Fire-and-forget mechanics. 4 meter blast radius.
• Orb of Discord: Increases the damage received by one enemy target by 30%. Fire-and-forget mechanics, allowing Zenyatta to both deal damage and heal while his Discord Orb is active. (Virtually) Endless duration and can be retargeted at will when provided line of sight and a 30 meter proximity. 3-second decay time when target leaves range and/or vision.

Give Valkyrie a 3 second duration and slap a 12 second cooldown on it (beginning after the duration ends), and you have a nice basic ability.

But that’s not what the developers wanted. Instead, for reasons never provided, they wanted to take the pile of dung that they scrapped in the alpha stages of the game (citation ) and slap it into the game as Mercy’s ultimate. How did they do this?

They extended its duration 20 seconds.

@Titanium-1686

Of course, probably seeing that the ability was still flaming garbage, they decided to add a few other bonuses to it. They added a bunch of buffs to Mercy’s pistol (most of which were removed before going live), and they added the potential to get four uses of Resurrect out of Valkyrie (rez, valk, rez, wait, rez, wait, rez). This time they were successful in making Valkyrie worthy of being an ultimate, because they added an ultimate (Resurrect) to a basic ability (Valkyrie). A basic ability in addition to an ultimate nets an ultimate ability.

Now the developers had a different problem. Mercy had two ultimates: Resurrect and Valkyrie… Or to be more direct about it, Resurrect and then more Resurrect. As you probably already know, Valkyrie was nerfed repeatedly. Resurrect was slowly withdrawn from the sack of garbage that was sacked and then unsacked, eventually rendering the sack of garbage to be a sack of nothing but garbage.

When Resurrect was pulled out Valkyrie, so was the ultimate in Valkyrie. Now we’re just left with a basic ability that lasts fifteen seconds on Q, while Mercy’s real ultimate is on her E.

Configuration: Spectator:

Consider the risk and reward for playing at different proximities from the fight for most heroes. Generally, the closer a hero is to the fight, the more impact they have; targets are bigger, and more enemies are visible. Projectile speed, spread, damage falloff, and limited range on abilities become less of an issue as a hero gets closer to the fight. The closer a hero is to the fight, the more they have to shoot at/heal/protect. By the same token, being closer to the fight also means greater risk, as the player becomes a bigger target for the enemy.

With the exception of a few specific heroes (Widowmaker) the risk and reward scale at about the same rate with proximity to the fight.

And then there’s Valkyrie.

The risk still scales with Mercy’s proximity to the fight while using Valkyrie; the closer Mercy is to the fight, the bigger of a target she is.

The reward does not scale with Mercy’s proximity to the fight while in Valkyrie; her team is receiving the same 60 (or 50, whatever) health/second regardless as to how close Mercy is.

As Mercy gets closer to her team while in Valkyrie, the risk increases. The reward is flatlined. This then prompts the question: Why would any Mercy with even the slightest hint of common sense want to be anywhere near the fight?

Trick question. They wouldn’t. The reason to get in close in the first place is to maximize reward. If that reward vanishes and the heightened risk stays, then the obvious choice is to minimize that risk by staying as far away as possible.

On top of this, Mercy has free flight with an omnidirectional movement speed of 9 meters/second and a 30 meter beam range. Not only does the Mercy have the incentive to be as far from the fight as possible, but they also have the tools to do so with ease.

The result? The best way to play Mercy while using Valkyrie is to hide in the skybox for fifteen seconds while sitting 29 meters from the beam target. This poses very little risk and sacrifices no reward.

This would be fine if Mercy had something to do while floating halfway across the map from the fight, but Valkyrie more than takes care of that. All of the skills and nuances of Mercy’s base kit that keep the player active and engaged? Yeah, those are thrown out the window.

• Healing prioritization? AoE beams remove the need for that.
• Damage boost utilization? AoE beams also negate the need for that.
• Positioning? There aren’t really any threats to evade in the skybox, and you are already in the best position you are going to be in for the duration of the ability.
• GA discipline? You’re still in the skybox and you have free flight, remember?
• Awareness? There isn’t much of a need to pay close attention to the fight. It’s not like you would get any real benefit from doing so. Skybox and AoE beams are still a thing.

Consequently, Valkyrie treats the Mercy less like a player, and more like a game object; like a construct. It doesn’t give the player anything to do. Instead, it does everything for the player.

Are you 29 meters from the fight and holding down LMB/RMB? Congratulations! You have reached maximum capacity. That is all you will be doing for the next 14 seconds.

Naturally, an ultimate that is a borderline AFK button doesn’t feel good to use. Whereas most ultimates offer a unique change in playstyle that still demands player activity (Dragonblade, Tactical Visor), offer a brief burst of power (Earthshatter, Rocket Barrage), or leave the hero’s playstyle unchanged (Supercharger, Photon Barrier), Valkyrie transforms the player into a glorified spectator that applies flat bonuses to their team. From the player’s perspective, they aren’t helping their team; they are idle. Instead, Valkyrie is doing all of the work.

And this is a failure in game design. The player and their character’s kit are not merging as one. The player can’t take ownership for the ability and say that they helped their team; they didn’t put any effort into doing it. It was just given to them.

Participation awards and idle-execution abilities isolate the player from their character. It changes the perception from “I did this” to “This was given to me”. The player doesn’t take ownership for the actions that were supposedly theirs, and thus, they don’t feel heroic. Instead, they feel like a sidekick or a tool used to let others take the glory.

It gets worse. Not only is Valkyrie a glorified spectator with an absurdly low skill ceiling, but it isn’t powerful enough to contest other ultimates or even basic focus fire. Valkyrie may have the potential to heal at a combined rate of 300 health/second, but that healing rate is spread out evenly across 5 allies… all of whom either don’t really need it, or need more than 60 health/second to survive. As a result, most of that healing isn’t helpful, resulting in Valkyrie having a nearly identical effect on the fight as a Mercy playing at high capacity without Valkyrie. Hence the “easy-mode” stigma on the ability.

Because of Valkyrie’s inability to sustain a team, not only does the Mercy player feel idle, but they also feel utterly helpless as they watch their team get mowed down/blown up/frozen/knocked down/cut apart.

And this is the biggest problem with Valkyrie. No hero, no ability, no ultimate, should ever leave the player feeling helpless or useless. That is perhaps the worst thing that could ever happen to a playable character, and doesn’t scream anything other than developer incompetence. It contradicts the very point of active videogames in the first place: To empower the player.

Although I guess I should commend Valkyrie for what it is good at. Despite its shortcomings in impact, player engagement, and skill limitations, it is perhaps the most flexible ability in the game. No other ability in the game offers all of these options midfight:

• Showing the world how much you like the color blue by leaving a weight on Mercy’s alternate fire the entire time.
• If you are a strange person, showing the world how much you like the color yellow by leaving a weight on Mercy’s primary fire the entire time.
• Casually shooting down the enemy Pharah.
• Inspecting the ceiling textures.
• Fetching a drink from the refrigerator.
• Drinking some of that drink you pulled out of the refrigerator.
• Checking your social media (or the Overwatch Forums!).
• Petting your cat.
• Petting your dog.
• Feeding your pet fish.
• Using a laser pointer to drive your cat nuts.
• Working on homework.
• Eating a sandwich.

[SuccubusNTTV-1422]

Assuming I didn’t have the Gamesense to realize what time it was, good thing I can GA even faster, or just fly behind cover.

[Wintermute-21345]

Somehow this doesn’t happen to me, but whatever. I apparently play some other version of OW.

It solves the problem of “nobody else picked healer”. It partially solves problem of “they suck at it”, as you are more likely to get a support main for the slot.

As for testing out - well… How is that a problem?

But enjoy your misery I guess.

[Catwoman-11236]

Y’all I lost 400 SR and my winrate went from 62% to 54% in literally 2 days.

It’s kinda what I get for trying to stick it out with her like I always have but gosh darn, that’s rough. I’m making it back with Moira and Lucio, luckily, but I would be in diamond for the first time ever if I hadn’t lost so much SR with Mercy

[ClydeFrog-11709]

engaging mercy

what does that mean exactly?

i play mercy for high mobility

they made her more mobile with the rework.

with the nerf, the only thing they lowered was her healing.

mercy mains are mad that ana and moira are viable. simple as that.

[firedupsplit-2126]

Yeah when Mercy is ulting and healing Pharah and Mccree has his ult it’s a guaranteed kill. One of the only times high noon is good.