So if you are using your ability to bring back a teammate, you’re ignoring the team?
Please explain that logic
So if you are using your ability to bring back a teammate, you’re ignoring the team?
Please explain that logic
That was your logic. If you hide to let everyone die to bring them all back how is that ignoring the team?
Your using your ultimate to bring people back instantly and can choose to do it without hiding or you can wait to bring everyone back together o you dont get staggered.
So by your logic, if your using the ability to bring back teammates, how are you ignoring your team?
It throws everything you said before right out the window.
Not my logic, you guys say that hiding and waiting for your team to die is the same as using current ressurect.
Which are 2 completly different things.
One is hiding and doing nothing untill multiple people died and not supporting the team.
The other is staying in the fight and using an ability to support your team.
And the hiding part and letting teammates die intentionally, as mentioned by Jeff, goes against the design of a healer/support.
Was Mercy using an ability when she was hiding when Mass Ress was a thing?
The answer is no.
Naah it really didn’t, just reaching on your side.
Baptiste does not have better healing. He does not have better mobility. He does not have the DPS enabling ability.
I dont know about “you guys” Im saying its the same, dont lump other people in there
You cannot be in the fight an rez. That was the whole point of the nerf. WIth old rez you had the option to hide to bring back more or tempo rez and not lose out on anything.
RIght now you are forced to hide and stop doing anything else. You are not able to help the team if you are stuck in a casting animation for almost 2 seconds.
Then it should be removed, because current resurrect reinforces that. If you go for a rez in combat you are either foing to die yourself or risk someone else dying.
The answer is yes. Mass Rez itself.
Ignorance is bliss.
mercy has consistency
M1 and person gets healed
It’s almost as if there is some gamesense required to see what’s better.
Ressing a teammate, keep healing, damage boost.
Ooh there it is again, looks like gamesense is coming into play or maybe communicating with your team. Shields, bubbles, matrix etc.
So people pressed Q when they were waiting for teammates to die?
Interesting thought…
Aah the irony, calling others ignorant while saying doing nothing is the same as using an ability
I have been able to pull of rez in mid-fight many times, and have watched many others do so at many different tiers of play…and in none of these cases did the Mercy hide
Personally, I find that resurrecting a teammate is helping my team - helping the team greatly, in fact
thats why I do it
Hello. Many’s the time when I was killed while in mid-rez. Please tell me how you pulled it off without dying in the process.
I think it might be better to observe some of the best Mercy mains in the game doing so - I think that will serve your need to learn how to do so better than any textual explanation I can offer
I personally recommend Animetic’s videos, as she provides onscreen explanation of what she did well and not so well as the video runs.
Quite a few replies stating that as Mercy is hurp durp super easy to play with no aim needed, that she deserves to be trash tier.
I disagree.
Consider Lucio. You can do fairly well with him in low ELO just by existing with your heal aura on.
But then you add in, boops, sound wave use, wall riding, fragging out via diving attacks or just good aim, speed boosting at critical points…
Lucio’s got so much extra that he can bring to the table. I’m far from mastering him and I just reached a career high (2450) with an 80% win rate with him. If I get better with him I could conceivably get higher.
But the difference between a GM Mercy and a Bronze Mercy?
Positioning for survivability and applying healing/ damage boosts where needed more often. The Animetic vids are indeed a joy to watch.
How about changing her kit so that she’s still easy to use at low Sr, but make her far more rewarding to play if you are a more skillful player?
As it is she has almost zero carry potential and her ult is insulting lacklustre.
How about changing her kit so that she’s still easy to use at low Sr, but make her far more rewarding to play if you are a more skillful player?
As it is she has almost zero carry potential and her ult is insulting lacklustre.
I dont agree with either of the points made in the second statement above, but in regards to the first - have you taken a look at the Dodo compromise rework?
Cool. It’s a start at least.
At end of day we won’t know if Bap utterly broken until we get more feedback. Maybe he’ll be released broken like Brig was and fixed later?
We’ll see.
Which is poor game design. Mercy can be made to grow with a player by increasing her skill ceiling. It’s an insult to us who got into OW seeing these play styles, only to have them patched out of the game, and greatly simplified to be nothing more then a causal mess in a game that pretends to be some competitive masterpiece.
What’s the point of mercy?
Just look at the current PTR boop changes. Now mercy res is even harder to get off because lucio can swing in easily and boop you out without any resistance that existed previously.
And the dmg boost changes are also questionable.
Mercy exists to get nerfed. That’s the point.
Well you have a “LOW-SKILL” hero that provides very good results keeping 11k healing averages a lot more than Zeny is 7.5k and a lot more than ANA is 9.5k asking you for DOUBLE amount of efforts
Mercy only need “gamesense” and 0% mechanicals
Zeny & Ana need 50% gamesense and 50% mechanicals
The point of Mercy is to be the laughing stock.
People for months have asked for a rework after the failed and miserable Valkyrie…
Things like, removing Rez completely and giving her a way to keep people alive no matter what as her ult. Giving her some high jump or a 5 second long flying (Valk) on E.
Things like that…
And what does Jeff and his team does?
MAKE A HERO WITH ALL THOSE ABILITIES AND MORE INSTEAD OF REWORKING THEM INTO MERCY.
I will never ever take Jeff and his team seriously anymore. I mean, I haven’t in months, but this is just hilarious… its… I don’t know how to put it… just… a big F-U to all Mercy mains. Then he is like, Mercy is fine and I don’t care what anyone says… you know, despite saying Mercy is fine for months and then nerfing her even more. Jeff doesn’t care about the fans. Trust me on it.
Mercy exists to get nerfed. That’s the point.
This. lol.
You are welcome to interpret my statements as you wish, but factually, the statement quoted above does not correctly describe my statements
Factually, it does. You compared the people who disagree with the owners to people saying the Earth if flat.
I know the meaning of what I wrote, and I stand by it
So do I.
My question at this point is: given that we have both made our final statements on this matter, and we do not agree nor does it appear likely that we ever will agree, is there a reason to continue discussing this particular item within this overall conversation?
I don’t know. Why do YOU continue to repeat it?
Then you really do not have any sound logic for your position and you should feel ashamed at trying to berate me for expressing skepticism and scrutinizing your position.
I clearly do, because you even agreed with the part about bad players not having an opinion as “reliable” as good ones. So you definitely see the logic, but just want to be contrarian.
Again, incorrect.
Nope.
Do you have anything else to add? Do you wish to present actual logic to defend your position? Or are you okay with just using pseudo-logic that feels good to you?
I’m okay with the actual legitimate logic I applied, yes, but we already know you don’t see it.
But that’s false, we know it was broken because of the reasons that were given.
Like a healer/support stopping to support the team, ignoring them and letting the team die, which goes completly against the idea behind of a support.
Again, this logic describes current Rez as well, so the argument is still flawed.
Resurect actives the moment one presses E, just because it has an animation doesn’t change that.
Yes it does. When you press E, nothing is happening.
If Mercy leaving her team and doing nothing is a problem, then her current Rez does exactly the same thing.
So it has zero correlation to my comment because I didn’t say it was impossible.
So it has zero correlation to my comment because I didn’t say it was impossible.
I said:
It’s safe to say that it isn’t easy and very likely impossible.
Again, this is the world’s smallest hair to split. It’s not impossible, nor is it “very likely impossible” (for the ridiculously small difference that makes).
When there’s over a year and a half of discussion, an entire movement and it comes up with zero ideas that aren’t completly OP, UP or broken.
It’s safe to say that fixing Mass Ress wasn’t/isn’t as easy as people make it seem to be.
The problem here is that just because YOU don’t agree with the ideas presented doesn’t meant that none of them work, nor does it mean that it’s likely impossible.
Mercy on the other hand has the ability to fix team mistakes unlike Baptiste since rez is THE MOST powerful ability in the game which is why it has gone through so many changes. A good mercy could survive longer than a Baptiste could since her ability to use GA to allies/valk/superjump at a faster speed/passive self healing is much more effective than a stationary bot and a slow vertical super jump. Mercy provides a better ult since it amps EVERYONE within the range of the selected target the healing/damage boost while Baptiste provides a small window of damage and healing boost. The only thing in Baptiste’s kit that makes him good is his AOE healing and hero damage rotation capabilities along with the damage boost stacking with other damage boosting heroes.
I clearly do, because you even agreed with the part about bad players not having an opinion as “reliable” as good ones. So you definitely see the logic, but just want to be contrarian.
I didn’t agree with you. I said they may not be as reliable. Not that they are not as reliable.
I also don’t agree with, you know, the entire rest of the thought process.
And no, I’m not trying to be a contrarian. Are you that arrogant? So arrogant that if someone disagrees with you and thinks you aren’t using logic (you really aren’t) that they must be a contrarian?
You’re boring now. Even while getting paid while bored at work you are boring, so bye.