🛡 "What's going on?" - Every Reinhardt Main Ever

SensualSpud-1202 · July 25, 2018, 8:44pm

Yes, so essentially this results in it being harder, if not near impossible, to play mind games with people, which is a HUGE part of getting good with Reinhardt.

AkinLint66-1127 · July 25, 2018, 8:46pm

Right man. I feel like a good half of my playtime/improvement with Reinhardt has been negated. Damn.

Hotaru251-1596 · July 25, 2018, 8:50pm

Dear Elune

his Earthshatetr is not effecting ppl who are in front of him w/o any thign to stop/block it?

how did this make it throughout ptr xD

Duke-13605 · July 25, 2018, 8:50pm

Reinhardt is dead. Long live dps mains. Memes.

#RevertReinChangesPLEASE

CatCountry-2145 · July 25, 2018, 8:53pm

Yup.

What this essentially means is that the Reinhardt battles are reduced to standing around like a doofus with a road sign and waiting until the DPS finish playing the game, or until one of the Reinhardts decides to kill himself by charging into the enemy.

SensualSpud-1202 · July 25, 2018, 8:54pm

“We’re planning on recoding Earthshatter from the ground-up!”

I am sure if this was the “new” Earthshatter they would have said so. Still crossing my fingers this is just a bad set of bugs (ADD IT TO THE PILE).

Bigwoof-1781 · July 25, 2018, 8:56pm

Don’t worry guys, I am sure they are working on rein fixes. We should see them on PTR by April 2024

Hotaru251-1596 · July 25, 2018, 8:58pm

then you find out tis an april fools joke and not until 2069.

SensualSpud-1202 · July 25, 2018, 8:59pm

Ah, of course it’ll come in the millennial class graduation year of '69.

darkphoenix-1266 · July 25, 2018, 8:59pm

I think it must be game wide, mei has the same issue with Ice wall and cryo. At 1st I thought it was just me but there is a pretty big delay.

SensualSpud-1202 · July 25, 2018, 9:00pm

If it’s affecting other heroes, that’s a real problem. This game is all about the fast reaction times.

GXKA-1742 · July 25, 2018, 9:00pm

Up vote up vote up vote.

Duke-13605 · July 25, 2018, 9:01pm

I’m surprised that stylosa, or anyone really, hasn’t gotten to making a video on this yet honestly. This is such a major problem overall if the problems are not just affecting rein. Info needs to get out on this.

Rocktopus-11683 · July 25, 2018, 9:01pm

It’s kind of funny: I logged in for the first time in months just to check Rein’s animation cancels, and I ended up remembering how much I love tanking. Fix your game, Blizz.

CatCountry-2145 · July 25, 2018, 9:02pm

It sure as hell isn’t affecting Genji over there - if he lost any of his animation cancels, his mains would be out there plotting the Meiji Revolution by now.

SensualSpud-1202 · July 25, 2018, 9:03pm

Another player had the wonderful decency to spend a lot of time with this and commented on their findings.

The Silent Reinhardt nerf

I spent another 8 hours on Reinhardt after the patch. These are my observations. Lets start with what Blizzard said they did.

Reinhardt
Fixed a bug that prevented Reinhardt’s Charge from propelling him forward if he was airborne due to Doomfist’s Rising Uppercut
As far as I can tell this is in fact fixed. But was it ever really broken?

Now for all the stuff that was changed for no apparent reason.

Every action Reinhardt performs except for his Hammer Swing > Firestrike > Hammer Swing the player must wait until the completion of each animation to begin another another function. Raising and Lowering his shield now has a delay on every action performed on either end.

His Hammer Swing is back to the 2017 Anniversary patch hit detection delay. Cannot confirm if the 10% adjustment to his swing timer has been reverted or not, but the hit detection does not register until the animation is complete. This leads to heroes not getting hit by the hammer if they move from one side of Reinhardt’s visible area to the other and out of the animation once it completes. Think Genji Phantom Blade, except for it is the heroes ONLY reliable attack, and the reason people are supposed to be wary of getting close to him.

Charge and Earthshatter are still a hot mess. Neither were addressed in the patch so this is not news.

What does this do to Reinhardt?

Heroes are not supposed to be close to Reinhardt. If he cannot reliably keep them at a distance he can only do half is job. Standing there with his shield up is the only thing Blizzard has not changed. His animation for deploying and removing his shield was already punishing enough seeing as how in a game where “favor the shooter” is frequently spouted off by players Reinhardt is the only one this doesn’t apply to. His shield should instantly deploy, and instantly retract. The fact Blizzard now ties everything Reinhardt does to this animation is absurd.

Hit detection for his Hammer Swing should have zero problems. As a comparison, how would ANY another hero not have players of said hero flood the forums if say Soldier 76 had to wait to reload for all the bullets he just fired to hit someone. The outrage would be catastrophic. For some reason people want to justify it because “its just a hammer”, or “hammers wouldn’t act like that in real life”. Reinhardt’s Hammer Swing is the other 50% of Reinhardt job. Blizzard you need to repair the damage you have done.

Reinhard players are one of a kind. We don’t prattle on about how other heroes are too powerful or unfair to play against. Things that happen in game we adjust to and attempt to counter play the best we can. We don’t get to solo carry games, but we do enable others to play at the pinnacle of their abilities. In a team based game there is no more definitive hero that is a team player then Reinhardt.

I will continue to play Reinhardt. Even with all his flaws I can still overcome. But should I have to?

Eutectic-1466 · July 25, 2018, 9:10pm

I do not think it was intended, kinda like Mei stopped freezing people after Blizz adjusted her ult meter.
If it was intended then Blizzard is using Bungie’s practices

Rocktopus-11683 · July 25, 2018, 9:24pm

If you didn’t post that, I would have. Glad you got my back, fam.

Cerberus-11283 · July 25, 2018, 9:25pm

The longer I watch the angrier I get, The angrier I get the more I want to just quit.

Natorian-1907 · July 25, 2018, 9:43pm

I went ahead and read this entire string so I wouldn’t miss any other point.

Some of the things being brought up. Did Blizzard do this intentionally? From my experience when Blizzard wants to do something they do it, and they are never shy about it. There would have been an entire explanation as to why they changed this much of his kit. This is not a rule by any means. Blizzard has in the past changed things they wanted changed and not told anyone about, but in Overwatch specifically this is rarely the case.

Does this make Reinhardt unplayable?
No…
These changes, intentional or not, do not make Reinhardt unplayable. They make it a chore to do things that should be fluid. If you play any other hero on the roster, except maybe pre-rework Sombra, and maybe Doomfist (I don’t play him), every action the heroes do work. Some may work, based on countering, worse then others but they _______ work. I am actually a fill player, though my profile says otherwise, so I do play other heroes when the need arises. I used Soldier 76 in my comparison because I was forced into a damage role in one of my games for my last Overwatch session. Soldier 76 is utterly beautiful at this point. The damage fall off buff makes him an incredible asset to the team. And, all his buttons work flawlessly. His Ultimate doesn’t randomly not shoot people that are “in his sights”.

The only thing that perplexes me at this point is how anyone in their right mind could agree that Reinhardt needs to be weaker, due to bugs that are “fair” in their eyes, or straight nerfs to his kit.