I’m confused, the past few days a lot of symmetra mains have been vocal about different things. Apparently there’s a patch update that helps Sym but everytime I turn around there’s a different Sym thread asking for something or another.
Now, I don’t want to be a negative nancy but this puts me in mind of Mercy players (not taking jabs) asking for different things for Mercy like Nerfs and buffs and changes but the difference here is it seems Sym mains gain less flack.
What is the point of these Sym threads? One minute she seems fine next minute there are ten threads asking why her beam isn’t longer… Why should it be longer? Why should she get any buffs?
Symmetra mains like to make their character seem as bad as possible for some reason. They like to talk about her needing buffs without considering her turrets or teleporter.
Yea I’m not sure why. I give the Sym mains flack and call out their obvious double-standards and dishonest framing.
You are asking the good questions that they cannot answer adequately in my opinion.
She is fine and performs well in her role. Sym mains, however, will not be satisfied until Sym is viable in all situations it seems.
It is odd, she seems decent at least and is getting buffs. I do not mean to be brash or rude to them but I would like some more clarity as to why they want her to be this swiss army knife hero when they offer nothing to really balance out all of these buffs.
Sym is the target of a lot of toxicity, so i can understand them wanting her to be so strong that she shakes the stygma. Still, Sym is already pretty good, and right now i think the only part of her that needs buffs is her teleporter.
I’m sure many are bitter about the reworks… but they need to understand she has been reworked because of them
Blizzard confirmed that niche heroes like Torb were designed to be niche and only playable in certain situations. Blizzard, somehow, did not think maining or 1-tricking would be a thing.
So, since these people were playing these heroes in situations they were literally not designed for Blizzard had to rework them.
The only problem with buffing her teleporter, as I’m sure you know, is making choke points literally irrelevant.
You say that, but none of the other niche heroes got reworked outside of Hanzo and that was just because people were using the word “niche” to describe bad.
I think it could be a better escape tool, especially for heroes that need it like Orisa. More interaction range, consistent placement, those definitely aren’t too much to ask for. As for things like distance: i dunno. I just find it underwhelming as a teammate.
Exactly, I do not understand how one minute they want her changed, buffed and all that but then after the rework when she seems to be seeing, even more, play that she needs even more changes.
Heck she was a support for so long, then they moved her to DPS I do not understand the outcry for buffs when she was never even meant to be a DPS.
Also Torb got reworked and he is in a similar situation of a hero being transformed to appease people’s desires to use them in more situations. So many defensive characters have been changed to make them more accessible for a more offensive role.
You know I would be inclined to believe that but I remember a guy made a thread about loving Sym’s uh… Thighs. So I am not too sure about her build. Maybe it’s the lack of upper body strength or strong jawline?
They ignore Symmetra’s turrets and teleporter though and focus in on the beams in isolation.
Which is, as I pointed out in that thread, dishonest framing.
I have been firmly in the boat of giving Symmetra a bigger character model for several years, so I second this
I mean I agree it could use some changes, but it has to be very, very slight and careful. I think Symmetra is one of those characters that is perhaps too easy to make broken and too hard to balance correctly
To add to this, I think a lot of sym mains want her to not be so niche which imo has already been solved. I think what they are wanting is her to be viable on every map which I personally disagree with.
The game seems to be changing towards picks being more map dependent and I think that is a great thing! Sym will always be queen of 2cp and KotH along with maps that the terrain favors her turrets and TP usage.
Her TP smoothing is going to be amazing once it hits live. Increasing the interaction radius slightly would also be a nice buff. I think that’s all she needs. Her damage is good, turrets are good, ultimate is good. The TP just needs to feel more fluid and less frustrating.
What I’ve read is that some Sym mains believe that Blizzard is working on the wrong part of her kit, but most I’ve seen are pretty happy with the TP update. I actually don’t think I’ve seen a single negative thread about it, unlike when they worked on her ramp up time.
But I think people are just vocal about their mains because they’re passionate and there seem to be a lot of passionate sym mains on here
Because I mentioned Hanzo and you listed him as though I did not? Rofl. The people you meet here.
Hanzo was not niche, he was just worse than Widow and therefore only picked in conjunction with her. He was always rather general, just bad. Hence why they reworked him the way they did. It confused a lot of people that did not understand his design. He was not even reworked, per se. He was made more consistent and got an ability rework because people were whining about scatter. But stick to your revisionist history. That will totally work on people who forgot, at least.
As for Bastion, he was made more niche. So… Like, I guess you are not wrong. At least people use him on pirate ships nowadays.
What about the other niche heroes in the game? Why have they not been reworked?
That’s why I put a questionmark next to it.
You’re right, the people you meet here! They can’t even read!
Even if you are right about Honzo I don’t care. The original point stands and is true. The developers literally confirmed it.
You’re talking about me revising history lol. I love how people like you project your inadequacies.
He was absolutely not made more niche… Even if he was he was still reworked along with Sym and Torb.
This may be a little too complicated for you to understand, but I will try.
There are different levels of “niche”
A heroes like old Sym and old Torb were very niche. To the point where Symmetra was only seriously played on 1st point defence on 2cp.
Please list these other “niche” heroes that were not rewoked though. I’ll go through and show you how they are not as niche as the ones who were reworked.
I feel as though there is a lot of disagreement because old sym attracted one kind of player while the new one attracts a different kind. So opinions clash.
IMO she is just a poorly designed hero. No iteration of her has ever been enjoyed or been truly good/effective in terms of “meta”. All heroes deserve a bit of meta and blizz is just so slow with hero changes.
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