jeff has state previously that false reporting is bannable however it is not.
they want you to use the report system (because you all ban yourselves into alt purchases = more money for blizz/act)
thats not what you said bud. you baltantly stated that false reporting does not exist. it does. no body said anything about it being a banable offence
nope it doesnât
you can do it all day
and nothing is ever done about it
You are right to a point.
But to be in that lower rank they would of had to throw games, or troll about in the leveling process.
This makes both acts of cheating and should substantially increase their bans.
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again, false reporting is the act of falsely reporting someone, that exists, it is an act there for it exists. being punished for it is different
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Neither are acts of cheating. Throwing is gameplay sabotage. Being good isnât against the rules. If a low level account pops off in your game, how could you possibly know that heâs thrown to get where he is?
You canât assume that low level players that pop off threw matches to get where they are. And you canât report them for trying to win either.
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it gets murky here because there are a lot of groups that 6 stack and throw, so they arent ruining the games of people trying to play ranked. i dont agree with it but there is an argument to be made that that is not against the rules
It is all about context my friend.
If I throw because I got tilted and donât want to play - game play sabotage
If i throw to derank and have âeasierâ games. The throwing is game play sabotage for the purpose of cheating. So both reports are valid.
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You deliberately derank an account. for an reason. You should be removed from the game at the first offence.
Blizzard need to stop with this namby pamby approach to things.
Go hard, give people a reason to stop.
Same for any of this racist, sexist, bullying BS that goes on too. Investigate, if guilty kill the account there and then.
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legit we have mute buttons
ab chat shouldnât exist as a report
just hate speech racism and the game needs to record the voip audio to actually have proof
then perma account ban
totally for it.
That is Blizzards answer to all the hate speach. Just mute and reportâŚ
Sadly they donât act.
In England IPâs can shut down their internet access for hate speech and forward their details on to the police.
Sadly this is another area Blizzard is severly lacking in the moral backbone to deal with efficiently.
When 1 single players says âjust mute and ignoreâ Blizzard have failed. We should all be under the pressure to behave, and respect each other or we canât play the game.
A simple rule.
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Regardless of context, the person reporting has no way to identify whether or not theyâre playing against someone who threw games or not (unless theyâre currently throwing). And again, smurfing isnât cheating, so throwing is throwing is throwing. Itâs gameplay sabotage becauseâŚitâs sabotaging the game. Doesnât matter what the purpose of it is. Maybe their account deranked because theyâve been playing drunk for the past 3 weeks. Maybe it deranked because they broke their arm and were trying to play one handed for the past 5 weeks. Maybe it never even deranked and youâve wrongly accused someone of smurfing when they arenât. Unless theyâre doing something reportable, you canât just report them on an assumption.
Bullying is another issue entirely, and honestly, mute and move on. Not because Iâm defending their actions, but because itâs the best course of action to remove yourself from that environment where youâre being bullied. Bullies exist. Unlucky. Thatâs not the purpose of this thread, though.
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Itâs threads like these that make me wonder if human beings can be considered âgoodâ. Selfish human beings? Oh, thereâs enough evidence on these forums to make it a universal law.
There are 3 kinds of SmurfsâŚthose who have alternate accounts who while having mechanical skill lack in team coordination ( remember shroudâŚplaced platâŚGod tier aimâŚvery little teamwork awareness) âŚthose who seal club⌠Those who are getting account boosted.
The last 2 are easy enough to catchâŚlook at critical hit accuracyâŚthe first oneâŚis an unfortunate soul learning what we all have to learn⌠communication
The basic problem below diamondâŚno problem flaming teammatesâŚbut tunnel vision during game with few if any callouts, ult tracking, and listening for team mates calloutsâŚif someone says donât let mercy RezâŚ9/10 people ignore the calloutâŚ
You seem to be mixing up smurf an altâŚ
Historically, smurf accounts are a negative thing. But this community seems to have completely blurred the lines and now no one understands that having a lower ranked account, in a competitive system is only to cheat. Be it to help mates climb, or have easier games, you are cheating the system and will get reports accordingly.
Alt accounts are fine, but a smurf is something else. Historically speaking.
And no, as a rule of thumb, humans are not good.
This community shows that completely lol.
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It is when theyâre playing in a rank that they donât belong in.
Yes, skill is a competitive advantage, but when you bring that skill into games a tier or more below your normal rank then itâs no longer a simple case of just skill since youâre playing against players whoâve never experienced the game at the same levels as you have so at that point your skill advantage becomes an unfair one, and thatâs cheating according to Blizzard.
Theyâre only rank #1 because their SR is slightly higher than rank #2. Theyâre still in the same SR range so thereâs no unfair advantage there. Do try and avoid the strawman counter arguments, please.
Blizzard arenât saying itâs not cheating, though. Theyâre saying it is.
If itâs not cheating then they need to change the wording of their in game definition of same.
The problem you have here dude is that if someone is smurfing, they will say whatever they can to convince themselves and everyone around them that it isnât an issue, and that the people complaining are the problem⌠(to the point where they end up subconsciously eroding their own sense of whats going on)
Just look at Trump⌠He screams that everyone is lying about him when he is the one lying and cheating⌠He no longer knows what the truth is.
Sadly, if they werenât cheating, people wouldnât complain.
You donât know what strawman means. Itâs not a strawman to take your logic and apply it at every level. Thatâs not a strawman. And besides, the rank 1 player doesnât play against the rank 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 player. Typically, he plays against player 200 or 300 SR below him, if not more (sometimes 500+). Does that count as smurfing?
An NBA player could play against a high school baller and it would still be âfairâ in terms of the game. Itâs just uneven. They have the same tools, the same arms, head, eyes, ears, hands, ball, court. The rules are the same. Just because one is better than the other, no matter how MUCH better, it doesnât make it âunfairâ the way youâre using the word. Fairness implies and equal playing field, not equal players. Hacks make the playing field uneven for the players, which is unfair. Skilled players make the players uneven, which is still fair because thatâs just standard competition. Thereâs always a better team in every match.
Do you know who Jeff is? Youâre the one using the definition to suit your needs.
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Iâve stated, explicitly, that I donât like smurfs. This entire argument about false reporting purported smurfs is what I donât like. Stay on topic m80.