But that’s not a good thing. Why are we as players okay with being deceived?
Boy, you’re pedantic, but I guess here we go in a circle again…
Before I explain this, let me define ‘smurf’ in a way I think we both agree with.
smurf - player who intentionally plays below their given rank in order to gain large advantages over the opposing team.
Let’s talk about what the current MMR system catches.
The MMR system catches players who are perform above their rank - regardless of the reason or intent
Without the intent to play below your level or the intent to gain an advantage, there is no smurfing. The algorithm does not detect intent.
If your problem is outside of previously defined ‘smurfing’, then it would be with match making.
I mean, this is the third time you’ve repeated something back to me that I already said we agree on. MMR can’t detect smurfs, we agree. I’ve seen to much “talking past each other” here. I hope your can forgive me for trying to ensure that i understand you correctly.
I don’t know what you mean with the other stuff, but you don’t seem to want to defend your claim that
so i guess you just don’t believe that and you misspoke.
Who’s being deceived? I’m not. They’ve explained it over and over. Proxies have explained and expounded, even doing research. All modern games are like this. The upsides are obvious.
What’s the problem?
That’s actually a good question. I think most of the players are okay with it as long as they see a change and get their rewards. I personally think it’s a good way to handle things. Because I’m sure many competitive players would not play the game if there was no rewarding side of it. This would have an even worse impact on the game.
It’s a human thing. Players would get frustrated if they would see the “truth” and how they didn’t improve (as far as seen from the systems view). Speaking about the system or also the player’s view… How do we even define skill? What makes out a good player? Was my decision wrong? Should I have done something else? Was me obviously going in and feed actually bad for the match or did it actually have subconscious influence on the enemy team, which causes them to play in a certain way that causes us to win at the end? There are so many factors that we can’t really measure. This kinda gives me quantum mechanics vibes.
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You are not being deceived. SR dictates which rank you achieved. Not MMR.
If you would have visible MMR instead of SR, that would be decieving actualy as you could win game and didnt move up at all. In fact you could even drop lower. How would that feel?
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I mean, it would in fact be the more accurate representation. Not, like, “rail on the internets all day” level of effective change, but SR is used specifically because it doesn’t give you your actual rank but rather the “adjusted” rank after player based considerations are taken into account.
They could get rid of SR without issue, really. You lose some things and gain nothing other than making Hulk find something else to complain about, but it’s not strictly necessary.
It’s also not problematic, or rather, I’ve yet to hear a good case why having an easily digestible number that can drop to punish leavers poses some sort of moral issue. To me it’s about as harmful as painting a wall, it’s pretty and it provides a bit of protection, but it’s not going to stop a bull running through it.
It’s a moot point soon though, isn’t it? They’re implementing MY preferred system, woot woot!
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If you would have visible MMR… That would be great!
More transparency for the player is better in my opinion.
Why is more information better?
More information is better because we can make decisions based on that information and see for ourselves if things are working as we expect them to.
Should we also hide the framerate counter? Should we hide stats like ping? Because some players would “feel” better if it showed 144FPS, 1MS despite that not being the case?
If the answer is no, then why should we hide MMR?
If the system creates a match on which it learns nothing from a win - and as a result your MMR doesn’t go up - I’d rather have that information available to me.
The failings of the backend system shouldn’t be hidden from the player.
At the very least MMR should be visible to the player themselves even if not publicly visible.
Its not exactly more informations, its just different number which wont tell you much. You have miriad of information on your profile and who actualy study that?
No you cant. You would see any possible change in MMR after match,not during the match so how can you make any decisions based on that? Your only goal is to win match. Watching MMR will not help you anyhow.
Dont be silly, these things are actualy important for you and hardly comparable to MMR.
Because it would only confuse players.
You have to understand that playing for better stats to raise MMR doesnt mean you play the right way.
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It is more information. It tells you your MMR. Plenty of people study these stats.
Yes you can. For example if nothing is learnt from a match why has the system put you in that game to begin with? Are there insufficient players at the time you queued for a match?
MMR is important to me.
Strawman.
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If you dont smurf, its practicaly same as your SR. So here you go.
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Cool! Then there should be no problem showing it to us.
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He doesn’t believe that games are matched only on MMR and that SR is simply a veneer that closely matches MMR.
You can’t argue this with him, because he fundamentally thinks the system works differently than what the devs say.
You can’t point to what the devs say, because he doesn’t trust them.
He doesn’t trust them because they don’t show us MMR.
They don’t show us MMR because SR is simply a veneer that closely matches MMR.
He doesn’t believe that games are matched only on MMR and that SR is simply a veneer that closely matches MMR.
Et cetera.
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Dont worry, I know Hulk so I know 
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Many dont care about it =]
Its only important to him because its the last possible excuse before having to take accountability. Without it, he’s forced to realize the truth.
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Im sorry this is your job man, wont be seeing you in 2025
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Yeah mean, that Blizzard pension do hit diff.
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When did anyone in this post before u said this say that they wsnted the matchmaker changed AND blamed it for why they are x rank???
It’s OK that you need special help when reading, unfortunately you didn’t have said help when you decided to reply to my above comment.
This entire thread is about one person claiming they should be higher ranked, and literally provided evidence why they are where they are.
Do me a favor, don’t respond with some reworded copypasta like you’ve been doing, bring something original.
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