Thatâs not how you make the Tank Role more popular, which is needed to fix queue times.
Why are we constantly relying on these gimmicks?
If youâre already willing to venture into drastic changes just to stop Orisa-Sigma, all you need in order to remove Orisa-Sigmaâs barrier cycling, is to allow Orisa to better function as a solo maintank (e.g. to increase maximum barrier HP) WITHOUT significantly increasing her SPS.
Put simply, you make her barrier system function more alike to the others by putting it on a resource system, rather than a pure cooldown.
Reinâs max SPS: 160
Sigmaâs max SPS: 94.74.
Orisaâs max SPS: 60.
Give Orisaâs barrier even up to 900 HP and reduce the cooldown to 4-8 seconds and allow it to be cancelled via the F key or whatnot, but have it take 14 seconds to recover that full amount (75 SPS, but degraded as with Reinâs and Sigmaâs by recovery delay that reduces it to an effective 64 SPS at most), and voila, she can space-hold âmore like a main-tankâ without being any more oppressive over time in an Orisa-Sigma comp.
How about giving BarrierTanks less HP, but more Firepower with strong Barriers.
That way they are more fun/autonomous.
They function perfectly well in SingleBarrier.
But with DoubleBarrier, you risk getting runover by high mobility comps, that just get into close range, and walk right past the barriers.
And as an added bonus, DoubleOffTank has advantages with raw HP sizes.
- Orisa/Sigma = 350hp, Stronger barrier, 14% more firepower, Weaker fortify/grasp
- Rein = 400hp, Stronger barrier, 7% more firepower, 14% more barriered mobility
- Mei = Tank, 350hp, 100selfheal, 10sec wall
- So she canât Peel for DoubleBarrier.
- Off Tanks and Winston = 1sec less on a cooldown
Fixing BarrierTanks and OffTanks
Those are two words that probably should never be used synonymously. I can only hope you mean the latter in a very different way than most use it.
The problem is, by giving Orisa-Sigma more firepower, you just pressured out the very solution youâre talking about.
Thatâs not a meaningful advantage in any way except to enemy ult-charge and Deathmatch sh*ts&giggles play.
There, I fixed that for you. He is not OP in the game; he is however OP relative to the rest of the tanks at the moment.
Without steadfast itâs hellish playing him. You literally canât play the game in many situations. Boops havenât been nerfed. He needs to be in melee range to do anything more than being a barrier, unlike the other tanks.
Accomplishing things without being reliant on team members to allow you to do it, is both autonomy, and generally Fun.
Not being allowed to do fun stuff unless multiple teammates simultaneously support you and position with you, in solo queue, and then only getting to do fun stuff just before the end of the fight, is a recipe for a lot of unfun games.
Speedboost and a D.va Matrix donât really care how much damage is getting thrown your way.
Ditto for Deflect and Grasp.
It ainât perfect, but itâs something.
A 350hp Orisa, and 350hp Sigma, vs a 900hp equivalent Roadhog and a 600hp D.va can get pretty ugly for the DoubleBarrierTank team.
i dont need you âfixingâ my quotes. heâs not even OP in relation to the other tanks i feel
Yeah, you did actually. We didnât have all this Rein overplay until he didnât get proportionately nerfed with the other tanks. If he werenât he wouldnât be constantly picked over other tanks. Remember when Sigma was better and no one wanted Rein? Same problem. Blizz failed to nerf him enough, so naturally, he becomes the go-to tank for everyone.
i also dont need you telling me what i need. this ainât sonic rush
only reason im making this is because people cant get their head out of their ends about how tanks are supposed to be played now. People try to play orisa like a main tank as if the nerfs never happened and wonder why they dont find any success.
reinhardt hardly showed any playtime in the OWL tournament over the weekend in favor of dive and double shield
when was this ever?
they didnât need to nerf him over the top, i explain why he shouldnât be and still doesnât need to be
Rein is overplayed on ladder. There is a much more even split in OWL where balance is relevant. So⌠no, he is absolutely correct.
You will be challenged on this.
and when might that be?
if you canât see how much easier it is to block shatters as Rein yourself, then we canât really discuss anything further.
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Rein being OP like this has totally ruined tanking for me, and Iâve never wanted to play Rein less than I do now.
Also, notably, when Orisa was OP I stopped enjoying her and played other heroes instead, including Zarya.
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My point is that I know I am right about it, and so do many other people who recognize the issue was in-equal balancing as will step up and challenge your thinking. IIRC its even been discussed by folks in video commentary like Sty and KarQ.
Sigma was considered a bitter pick than Rein in his most powered state, to the point people complained why take Rein with literally Sigma did everything he did but better. It wasnât long ago, search the forums if you want.
Stopped reading right there. By himself without Ana, Lucio, Zarya I agree heâs not OP, but with the help of any 1 of those he steamrolls teams.
Heâs too good yet Sigma got nerfed for the same reasons. Itâs a double standard, thatâs whatâs frustrating.