The real problem with genji is not that hes op in certain situations and not even his ult but that he requires low skill for contributing high value and making oneshots. There are no other heroes in this game who require such little skill for such high value and no other hero can oneshot so easily and effortlessly as him among dd, even sojourn and hanzo because they have to aim. Well, not really for hanzo, but I was talking about consistency. How often do you feel annoyed from being killed by widow for example? I don’t think too often, and that’s precisely because she needs skill to do it, and Genji doesn’t.
Combine this with his rat tactics, 2 escape options (one with manual cancel) and abusing the extremely low maximum allowed ingame fov with double jumps and we have a very annoying and irritating hero.
So my proposed solution to fix him without remaking completely would be altering his rclick shurikens hitbox size to make it as small as possible up to hitscan size or maybe even below a bit. This way he will actually have to aim and its still going to be fairly easy because of his closer than reaper range also this way these so called “pro high skill” genji players wont have to whine about nerfs, if youre really a high skill player then you certainly can hit something with hitscan hitbox at 0.1-1m distance
I agree overall but reducing his shurikens hitbox means that he wont be able to land all his 3 shurikens at all. So instead it’s probably better to remake his 3 shuriken cone into a single projectile with a bit tuned damage and short falloff range
Yes his skill floor is pretty low to be not terrible with him, true. Easier to be decent at than a bunch of other heroes anyway.
So basically just reduce his cone spread to 0? Ok but damage definitely should be nerfed in that case and the falloff range should be like 5-10 meters or be significantly affected by gravity
When are we gonna stop this tired argument
I play a lot of Brig but even I can confidently say Genji takes skill
with landing shurikens esp from distance
with deflecting intelligently and playing mindgames
with actually doing anything during blade besides causing a distraction
with cooldown reset management, like being able to get in, kill, and get out via reset before you get got
As playing brig? Sure, its not so easy for him to kill you as brig thats why you feel this way
No I’m saying Ive played a lot of brig whose mechanical skill is on lower side
but even I think Genji takes skill. Ive tried him a good amount over the years and it’s very easy to waste deflect/do absolutely nothing in match/miss all your shurikens/feed with blade
Everybody takes skill even monky to some degree, reread the main post please
I wonder how pc deals with genji. I guess way better than console…
I can only atest to my console experience.
He moves so fast that sometimes I get mad at him but in the end I guess it’s just a matter of me changing my settings to match his speed, but since I’m not trained well with high sens, sometimes he keeps “floating” fast around me doing his alternate fire, as usual. So I need to pick ashe to at least put him on fire and scare him away.
Oh, I just found out that the maximum fov for console players is even less, 70(?) degrees. Its just inhuman
I completely disagree. Genji is one of the most difficult DPS heroes to play well in a balanced match. Not to mention he can be counter picked decently by Cassidy(tracking grenade), Junkrat(remote explosives at close range), or Mei(slowing beam). This is as long as the player is good enough to predict he will use deflect and wait for it to wear off.
I WISH THIS WAS TRUE i would be maining him already since im also a mercy main but i can confidently say he does take skill lmao
The issue is that Genji takes skill, but people want to retcon what “skill” is to define him out of it. Like Utility and Moira.
If you’re unaware, I’m pretty sure damage IS Moira’s utility. So people told me “Uh, utility is any non damaging secondary support ability”.
Similarly OP says
So now, Genji’s no skill because he “doesn’t have to aim” Keep in mind that 1.) This isn’t true. And 2.) Aiming is not the only skill.
Genji has to have learn how to move, and retain spatial awareness for the entirety of their fights. If you don’t think that’s a skill, then you aren’t equipped to have this discussion.
No, requiring no aim to kill target and using shift + rclick headshot at 0.1m distance to instakill is not skill, unfortunately. Mccree countered genji with flashbang, yes, but with homing grenade genji can just use deflect
And why would you throw your grenade when he is deflecting or even shoot for that matter? Wait for it to wear off.
The only other skill is knowledge of the game. Its not something you master all your life like hitscan, but rather 10-20 hours. 5 hours for decent high plat low dia genji
You mean wait for him to cancel his deflect and oneshot me? Sure.
Implying that i know when hes gonna use his deflect.
Also my point was not about this, i ment that genji can get away after being naded by using deflect and genji from ow1 could not
Shurikens aren’t the problem, the problem is that he has insane mobility, the ability to hide his critbox every 1.5 seconds, a cone of immunity that reflects ultimates, a damaging dash that can reset CD on assists…
They give Genji an obscene safety net that lets him engage almost any fight with minimal risk, that’s the problem.
Hes not gong to work without mobility, and to be fair without oneshots/high damage at close range too. The only way i see is to get him skill dependent at least
lmfao genji is one of the most technical challenging heroes.
this post just tells me you can’t hit a moving target.