The patch went back live again

[Moira-21906]

@Mozts-1810

Yeah, that’s the good one, I guess. Even then I question what happens if Bap/Brig are addressed.

I personally don’t think much would change, it would just make Ana become meta

Remember a while ago a streamer claimed Moira is gonna be meta again after Bap got a nerf and all that happened was… Ana became meta lol then later he got a buff or something and became meta again

These people are dishonest about how strong Moira is, and the only time she’s actual been proper meta she got nerfed out of it with Doomfist oh and the only reason she was meta same as doomfist is because she worked well with double shield, so basically wasn’t even Moira’s fault, they just released a very OP tank into the game that caused one of the worst meta.

Every other time she was replaced once they figured out a better way to perform the meta
Goats replaced by Zen
quad replaced by Ana

[dOoFmIsT-1168]

They aren’t ALL bad, but they don’t really address anything. They’re just changes for the sake of changing something.

Moira will still underperform until they give her back some of the linger OR they gut baptits so he stops taking EVERY supports niche in borderline EVERY comp.

Cree is already a top 5 dps in most situations, and is already strong at close range. Buffing his close range utility and giving him the ability to parkour to unintended locations might be fun on paper, but it’s not fun to play against.

Hanzos storm arrow? weird, but sure I guess. Probably needs a nerf to compensate.

Torb buff? tanks will feel worse to play because of it, he’s already pretty good, and he will further take reapers supposed niche.

ball nerf? sure, this one makes sense.

Rein buff? rein needs survivability, and maybe the stun time back on his ult- not more damage.

Addressing the broken heroes: hog, sig, brig, bap, echo etc was the path everyone was expecting. When you get a bunch of stupid or meaningless changes its understandable that people are upset about it- especially when a few of the changes are buffing already really strong heroes.

[OurVerwatch-1301]

Well I’m interested as to what Andy has to say to this. Hopefully some changes can be looked at again!

[Kisseys-1344]

Oh well, future balance changes are in a weird state anyways since most of them are going to be made irrelevant once OW2 releases tbh. I wish we’d get news about OW2 soon.

[erichoooop-11534]

What really pissed me off is that they acknowledge the negative feedback but pushes it to live anyway.

[OurVerwatch-1301]

I think it would have been OKish if they at least just put it on experimental. But the fact that they just put it on live just adds salt to the wound.

[AndyB-11735]

Bugs not withstanding (sorry about that), we knew some of these changes would drive a lot of conversation. We also knew that the patch would shake up the meta a bit, something we’ll be closely monitoring this week. As usual, we’ll be summarizing your feedback and sending that along to Geoff and co.

Your measured feedback about your play experience once you’ve tried out the patch is going to be super helpful in said summary. If you don’t care for the experience, let us know what frustrated you about it. Try to be specific, avoid hyperbole, and just speak to your experience. If you like it, tell us what you enjoyed about it. Again, be specific, and try to avoid hyperbole (this is especially important in how you title your feedback threads).

Thanks folks

[OurVerwatch-1301]

Could you explain why this patch was decided to be pushed straight to live rather than it go through experimental?

[Marcane-11355]

@AndyB-11735

Bugs not withstanding (sorry about that), we knew some of these changes would drive a lot of conversation. We also knew that the patch would shake up the meta a bit, something we’ll be closely monitoring this week. As usual, we’ll be summarizing your feedback and sending that along to Geoff and co.

Your measured feedback about your play experience once you’ve tried out the patch is going to be super helpful in said summary. If you don’t care for the experience, let us know what frustrated you about it. Try to be specific, avoid hyperbole, and just speak to your experience. If you like it, tell us what you enjoyed about it. Again, be specific, and try to avoid hyperbole (this is especially important in how you title your feedback threads).

Thanks folks

Thanks for the balance changes. I’ll come back and respond with my feedback on the changes. Right now, just rumor I’ve heard, Moira’s Fade is gonna be insane now.

[DvaDiff-1921]

@AndyB-11735

Again, be specific, and try to avoid hyperbole (this is especially important in how you title your feedback threads).

I just don’t understand why we aren’t nerfing anything?

The game was fun back in September - October 2020 because there were massive changes to multiple heroes that caused problems for a while, then we just added powercreep to said characters agian. (Bap buffs, Health nerf/buff patch…) those are a few examples of what started to make the game drop to being unfun again. This game does have it’s moments… I will admit.

But I feel like I shouldn’t be HUGGING a wall to get value out of the larger characters because of the amount of damage in the air.

Please please, look at the CC changes, and Aoe healing that this game has and come back with an actual experimental and not meme changes that will 100% not shake up the meta, but instead add onto the fact that the meta we are in sucks.

Some characters are indirectly affected by those changes. Moira isn’t a bad character; she’s outshined because there’s heroes that do her job better and more effectively and you could say this about more characters.

[AndyB-11735]

@Marcane-11355

Right now, just rumor I’ve heard, Moira’s Fade is gonna be insane now.

I’ve seen some pretty cool clips on the Tweeter

[YokoCrossbow-1945]

For me the Moira one was fun

[Sprklmufin-1212]

@AndyB-11735

Your measured feedback about your play experience once you’ve tried out the patch is going to be super helpful in said summary.

Thank you AndyB. I just hope it leads to something because overwatch’s history has had this sort of “we’re listening” approach in the past without so much as a community response afterwards (the infamous mercy rework thread)

@Titanium-1686

August 28th, 2018 edit: This thread is now the most popular thread of all time.

Still no response

[Andough-1183]

I’m happy to share feedback. I hope you can pardon my skepticism in feeling that my feedback just…doesn’t matter. These were already implemented before. Is there a reason we’re doing a second round and on live?

I try to hit ~10+ hours of playtime before I make up my mind on the changes. I’m less than 2 hours in, and the Cole changes feel bad to go against. He rolls out of boops now. It feels like a complete waste to even try to boop him anymore when he can just roll and then Fan the Hammer me to my immediate death.

Everything else will require me to play more before I feel comfortable with how I feel about them and can figure out what is frustrating me exactly.

[Bratty-11447]

@AndyB-11735

We also knew that the patch would shake up the meta a bit

Uh you guys really don’t know the game very well then. This won’t change the meta at all… It’s just making the game more annoying to play with more power to heroes that don’t need it

[DvaDiff-1921]

@Bratty-11447

Uh you guys really don’t know the game very well then. This won’t change the meta at all… It’s just making the game more annoying to play with more power to heroes that don’t need it

Exactly what I just said… JINX!

@DvaDiff-1921

and not meme changes that will 100% not shake up the meta, but instead add onto the fact that the meta we are in sucks.

[Large-11605]

@Bakkusōdo-1851

I think the community made it quite clear the patch as a whole wasn’t exactly welcomed.

The “community” is always negative about every change. The reason OW is in the state it is in now is largely due to listening to the “community.”

That said, I like this patch. The fun factor is increased. I welcome additional balance patches.

[Xorkrath-1442]

@AndyB-11735

Try to be specific

Okay, I’ll be specific. According to Google, I recovered 30 gigabytes from my hard drive today. I also simplified my future game browsing experience by permanently filtering out any games by Blizzard. Just like I promised, because I’m a man of my word.

Want more specifics? I’ll copy/paste my entire response from the other thread.

@Xorkrath-1442

Your patch escalated the arms race between DPS characters instead of nerfing them to settle things down. It obscenely buffed two DPS characters already in high demand. The hanzo buffs were ridiculously unhealthy for the game in two different aspects - reinforcing burst damage abilities, and negating the concept of using cover and terrain. You know, the things you are supposed to encourage your playerbase to do. That’s also Junkrat’s domain to push people out from behind cover, how dare you give such an unjustified buff to Hanzo.

There’s 17 DPS heroes, and there’s probably 14 of them more deserving of buffs than the two you selected. And of those 14, at least 4-6 desperately need help due to the power creep you keep causing, having left them all behind. In what world do you pull a stunt like this then try to convince the playerbase that powercreep doesn’t exist?

If this backfired PR stunt makes it to live, you’re losing me as a customer. Not just for OW, but I’m just done with Blizz games at all if this sort of literally the worst possible of all decisions is how you proceed with your game. That this gets allowed at all is a black mark against the company and the oversight they’re supposed to exercise, and clearly my money would be better spent with other game developers.

I kept my word. I uninstalled your game and blacklisted your company. You buffed two wildly over-performing/over-bearing/over-used DPS and one of those buffs had the insane effect of negating the use of natural cover as if cover weren’t already scarce enough, or players already finding it difficult to be in the habit of using.

I legit have no idea what made you think any of this was okay, but it’s way beyond “this is not okay”. The very idea that you thought these buffs were needed for DPS, especially these DPS characters despite the dozen or so struggling to remain relevant as you keep buffing the dev favorites, tells me that there’s a lot wrong in your ranks. I don’t know who specifically in the team is responsible, and at this point I don’t care either. You want to authorize a stunt like this, then that’s the end of the road for me. The blatant favoritism and lopsided priorities gutted this game and my interest in it.

I’m voting with my wallet and giving my business to other companies.

[DRUNKINJEDI-1952]

i really like the moira buff and i think the other ones dont really change too much in mid ranks. maybe rein tho since he just got MORE damage and is pretty much a want in casual games but otherwise meh. rein jail ten fold?

[Jocachaval-1389]

I dont mind sharing feedback after playing, however i must ask, why was the Cass roll pushed to live if, in pretty much every other experimental, it was received with negative feedback?