They arent it it, and you know why? Because GM and Masters they play the game how it is supposed to be played.
I mean 90% of my games have a Sigma as a main tank in plat. So yeah.
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Ok. Go and tell that to the devs that said explicitly that they balance for OWL and GM. Call them out on being liars. I am waiting.
And thats how it suppose to be.
Except, this doesn’t appear to be the case. It looks like Blizzard abandoned any attempt to make the heroes equally powerful years ago. Instead, they caved into the skill argument and started “balancing” with counters. We all know how that went.
You cant have all heroes be balanced while also wanting some heroes to be inherently more powerful. The more powerful heroes become the most consistent way to win, get picked more due to this and is just imbalance.
It’s not been about balance for years.
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You can read the patch notes yourself, if you can confidently tell me that every single nerf and buff this year has only catered to GM or t500 or owl with a straight face ill believe you.
But me reading all of the patch notes from this year i can tell you, theyre not.
Some patches are, and majorly those are stated, but not all of them, not even nearly all of them
the Dev team cares way way more about the health of the game in total than what the top 1% cares about in general.
they know 99.99% of their players are casual players who genuinely probably dont care 2 sh— about comp or true balance, but just want to have fun. And i know for a fact they still make patches that cater towards casuals way way more than Professionals.
Hell the ENTIRE idea of the workshop is only for casuals
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Here is what I read from what you said.
“yada yada yada I don’t think they balance for OWL and GM”.
Here is what you need to read. The Developers of this game saying explicitly that they balance primarily for OWL and GM. See I am not the one who is telling you that you are wrong. The developers themselves are telling you straight to your face that they balance for OWL and GM. So if you think they do not balance for OWL and GM then I expect you to call them out on being liars.
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Heres What i read from what you said.
"yada yada yada primarily for owl and gm "
If you read my actual post you would read that i said that owl, t500 and gm are in charge of more balance than lower ranks, and that the value of someone who is from those in the talk of balance is higher.
even if its 90% balanced around the top and 10% around the bottom. It isnt balanced for the top, as long as the game sees balance around the bottom as well, its not balanced only for the top.
“primarily” doesnt mean “always”.
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In which case they’re either terrible at their jobs or lying.
Why are you trying to prove this to me?
I am not the one who said they balance for OWL and GM. The developers said this. I am just relaying their message to you. If you have a problem with this messege take it up with them not the messenger. But as long as their official statement is that they balance for OWL and GM then they balance for OWL and GM and you have absolutely no way of disproving them unless you plan on calling them a bunch of liars which I would never endorse but if that is your stance I cannot fight you on that.
They can also be both but see as long as their official statement is “we balance for OWL and GM” then any issue OP has with their balancing needs to be taken up with the developers themselves. Either call them out on being Liars or call them out on being incompetent but his issue has nothing to do with us anymore.
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I’m seeing a lot of threads regarding “This game should not be balanced around the top 1% of players”.
Ok, I can get behind that…but we should also not balance around the 1, 2, or 3% of OW players who use the Blizzard forums. Considering a majority of the threads are troll, spam, or otherwise non-constructive in nature.
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Im not, im responding to what you said in a comment of my own, if you didnt care for it in the slightest you would not have left a comment or reply in the first place.
My point of the entire post isnt to say that the dev team balances around low ranks, or all ranks majorly, but that its not only around the top, thats all, im not calling out anyone, im not calling the devs liars, they said primarily they balance for higher ranks, thats fine.
but primarily is not always, as i said. Thats all im saying here.
Definitely, im not saying where to balance, how to balance or what to balance. im just giving insight to how the game seems to be balanced right now
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But see this goes against what the devs said that they balance for OWL and GM. Again in theory they balance the game exactly how you want it to, but in practice this is not the case. Any blame you wanted to put on casuals or low ELO players is now moot. If you are unhappy with the way they balance for OWL and GM as is their official stance that is a problem you have with them. Any problem you have with not believing them when they say they balance for OWL and GM is a problem you have with them. It has nothing to do with the rest of us.
on the ama the “team” said they balanced with owl. gm. masters in mind. so your theory that you pretend is reality, isn’t reality.
Maybe people should research stuff before coming up with lies
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The point about “majorly” means they Dont balance for majorly all ranks.
And again i state
i dont care about the balance of the game, i enjoy it, ive enjoyed it since 2016 season 1, and ill enjoy it until theres no more players in it, i dont care which heroes are particularly powerful or not, im stating how the balance is in the game to the people who say on the forums stuff like
“the game isnt balanced enough for the top”
“The game is only balanced for the top”
where both of those are incorrect, im delivering a message not a speech.
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My point exactly. So this insight as he put it here
Is nothing but a wild guess or a conspiracy theory because their official stance is they balance for the highest point of the ladder.
And you are wrong. The devs say they balance for OWL and GM so this statement is factually false unless you are accusing them of being liars. As long as their official, public stance is that they balance for OWL and GM then your words are a conjecture with no basis in reality. You can’t give insight when you have no insight to speak of. Or are you one of the game devs or somehow have access to their inner most balance decisions?
Saying they keep masters gms and t500 in mind doesnt mean they exclusively only make the balance for them no?
Saying “majorly” “Mostly” “with them in mind” doesnt mean “exclusively”
That is all im saying in this post, if you decide to take it as “NO ITS BALANCED EQUALLY FOR ALL RANKS” thats on you, not me.
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Nope. Until they say that they also keep lower ranks in mind then it doesn’t happen. As it stands we only know they have high elos in mind, they have made no statement whatsoever if they consider low elo players or not so again, any and I do mean ANY attempt to make it seem like they do balance decisions for low ranks is a conjecture on your part that you cannot prove.
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well, yes.
Unless they say they exclusively only make patches for masters and gms, t500 and owl its better to assume theyre not exclusively for them.
Saying they keep them in mind while making patches does not mean they exclusively think of them when making patches.
Probability over possibility.
Its entirely possible theyre lying through their teeth and balancing around this one dude named Juan in gold, is it probable? no. but its possible.
Unless they give out a concrete statement that this here is 100% how it happens, there is no reason to believe that its true. If they say they majorly do it for GMS or t500 or owl, then they majorly do it for them. Not exclusively.
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You know what they say about assuming right? I will not be made an (reducted)
I mean you are assuming right now that what they said means something different from what they said.
They said they keep them in mind, that its majorly for the top
Youre assuming its exclusively for the top
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