The forced 50% w/r does exist on paper in solo comp

[taleswapper-11189]

@anon84119029

@taleswapper-11189

I mean, the complaint from the “rigged matchmaker” crowd is that teams are balanced, rather than allowing the best player in the lobby to get the best teammates and have an unbalanced match.

I’m pretty sure you are making that up, here are some quotes from recent threads on this very forum.

@Waffle-13883

Once again, this thread is mainly to show the low ranked players that make threads such as “I’m in gold, but why do I keep getting teammates that play like they belong in bronze?”, that I was getting teammates like that in gold too, it’s because the matchmaker is screwed up.

@NoDoomRework-2332

you have insane players trying to 1v9 and people who can’t be carried even if they were 6v4.
Had teams so good I didn’t even need to try sometimes, when I was useless.

@Waffle-13883

But it’s even MORE crazy that I can main soldier in mid-high plat with an 85% win rate on my alt, but doing placements on soldier on this account and putting up incredible stats, the game decides that I belong in silver… and then gives me a series of consecutive matches where my team is so much worse than the enemy team that I end up losing several of them, despite trying my hardest on Soldier.

@Waffle-13883

I will say once again, if you are over-performing in silver/gold it VERY much feels like the game tries to push you down by giving you the worst teammates it can find and placing you against the best players it can find on the enemy team.

Doesn’t sound like the complaint is about the matchmaker doing it’s job. In fact, it sounds like the complaint that the MM is dogsh!t, that the team SR difference is indeed above 1000, maybe above 2000, that the MM is placing dogsh!t players in teams against much higher ranked players, essentially forcing the loss.

WHY it does this is the point of contention.

• Is it some kind of failure of the algorithm (probably, people are pretty crap at building these types of things, and tend to rely on blunt heuristics).
• Is it just RNG?
• Is it because the game is basically dead and there aren’t enough players to make a balanced game (and has been for years)?
• Or is it deliberate (putting on tin foil hat), to punish a certain category of players?
• Or is it a commercial decision (putting on second tin foil hat) to drive sales of alt accounts after complete and utter incompetence in introducing new heroes and overbuffing (and nerfing) decimated the player base?

But also, note what you have quoted here. Your complaint was that the SR differential in the matches was lopsided. That is, one team would have all the best players and the other team would have all the worst players.

I asked you for what the scenario you were imagining was and you gave me these numbers:

@anon84119029

No, I’m suggesting there is a difference in the SUM of SR between teams. So team 1 might look like
1000, 900, 1200, 750, 900, 1150
and team 2 like
1400, 1490, 1100, 1450, 1350, 1400

In your scenario, the first team has all the worst players in the lobby (with one exception), while the second team has all the best players in the lobby (with that same exception).

But now go back and look at the quotes you gave me. People are complaining that if they are the best player in the lobby, they get the worst teammates. That’s the opposite of your complaint. In your scenario, the problem is that the best players in the lobby are all distributed on the same team (so it’s not that the best players get the worst teammates- it’s that the best players get the best teammates.) You are complaining that the matchmaker is not attempting to balance matches (or at least not hard enough), but they are complaining that the matchmaker is attempting to balance matches.