Hereâs the thing. Her sustain damage takes time to build and needs constant accuracy, so itâs perfectly accurate to say her preferred matchups are against tanks (in that they have the hitbox size to make it easy for her to land constant hits, and enough health for her to build up beam charge). But at max damage output, she only puts out aboutâŚ6% more damage than S76 does, at much less range. And she doesnât have McCreeâs stun, Hanzoâs insane burst or primary, Reaperâs higher damage output or self-sustain. (and If she doesnât have her primary fully charged, she does less damage than Moira).
I mean, Symâs only real advantages are:
1: Any pre-placed turrets (which are only good for paperweights). Although yes, they will be an annoyance until destroyed assuming theyâre all in position before the engagement begins. But theyâll still do less damage than S76âs helix burst.
2: Clip size. She has a decently long firing time between reloads. Itâs nice to have and all, but it also comes with the downside of spending half the clip actually getting the primary weapon to full damage output.
So how is she a nightmare for tanks? I do occasionally play tank and Iâve rarely had encounters with Sym, but those circumstances she was nothing special. Certainly made Orisaâs cooldown shield a liability since it couldnât be retracted, though. I think Reaper, 'Cree, and Hanzo are all legit nightmares for tanks, not Sym so much. Symâs just average against tanks, which is a shame because thatâs her strongest matchups.
High sustained damage pressures tanks from taking space, basically. Teleporting an entire team you pushed invalidates tanking. You get stuck at choke if your team doesnât deal with turrets. Blah blah blah. Lethality isnât necessarily makes tanking hard or Widow would be the best hero to play into tanks. And she ainât it, not even close.
Level 3 beam, it can shred apart tanks. Even more so inside a turret nest. Also she generates ammo when attacking barriers. So she is a nightmare for barrier tanks. Rule of thumb is to never let a Sym get a level 3 beam.
Also I speak as a Sym main, not a tank main. I often get hateful comments from tank players Iâve killed. They seem to really hate Sym.
I am not too sure about that. The max damage soldier can deal with a single shot is 19 which becomes 38 on headshots. Thus it would need about 4-5 shots to be as much damage as Symâs level 3 beam.
Though for the comparison I am not factoring in beam decay or the the temporary damage restriction when selecting a new target. Which can happen in the heat of a battle.
However Soldier can be a great tank killer. Yet I would not say he deals more damage than Sym at level 3 beam. Still, I do not think Sym is outright better than him.
ah yes a teleport with 2s windup, of which is long enough for a lot of heroes to kill her in, is sooooo instant compared to various other mobility abilities in the game that literally donât have any windup.
saying symâs orbs as being âinfinite rangeâ simply because they donât have hitscan falloff is like saying junkrat or most other projectile hero has âinfinite rangeâ for the same reason. but are you going to be positioning where widows are with junkrat, sym, genji, etc. trying to to snipe like a widow?
the answer is an obvious no, because travel time is a thing for projectiles which greatly reduces their effective range.
The orbs are so terribly numbered that theyâre barely even midranged. like look at her orbs numbers in context:
what kind of weapon fire has a legit sniper-tier low firerate, which encourages more precision with shots (because less shots you can make in an engagement), but yet its projectiles are so slow that aim matters much less in shots landing compared to the targetâs capability in moving out of the way for various ranges despite the orb size (see mathematical proof below).
and the aboveâs simply talking about splash + projectile radius rather than whatâs truly equivalent to hitscan effective range shots, direct hits (only projectile radius). direct is 120 damage, receiving only splash is 60 tops and is lower the further away the target is from impact point, i.e. only taking splash damage is the equivalent of hitscan falloff.
And before you go âbut itâs meant to be spammed not aimedâ, then why does it have a sniper-tier firerate causing orbs to have 120 damage / (1s charge time + 0.25s wind down) = 96dps which is even lower than a body shotting mercy pistol (100dps; of which is more consistent to land from higher firerate + having much faster projectiles).
Most PC-players on this forum suggest that Symmetra is underpowered and in need of buffs to her damage output and range.
Overall consensus is that Symmetra is not a particularly strong hero, or a popular one. But one that has a very niche defensive role and typically only excels on certain maps. Which Blizzard seems to be fine with.
She was once a lot worse. The only problem I have with her is that just 1 of her turrets can bring me to a dead stop faster than anything in the game including mei and even zarya grav. Just 1. That has to be changed. Iâm a ball main. I can only imagine how it feels to be a 200 or less HP dps trying to deal with that broken mess
Sheâs used on attack at all ranks on console. And defense at times but normally Iâm seeing the sym player switch to phara on defense. Idk why. Its weird.
Sheâs useless, honestly. Very niche and unless sheâs in a organized 6 stack⌠The only thing she is good for is her turrets which are easily countered by a monkey.
The sad part is, ppl pick her because they are too lazy to practice their aim. Truth hurts. Sym/torb = training wheels
Her turrets are not even that good tbh, her beam however is powerful if you know how
to play her, idk about you but a symm that only rely on her turret is a bad symm player same goes for torb that only hide behind his turret.
People only look at her and see her as a turret hero and nothing else, its their loss for this kind of narrow mentality, she is more than just a turret and TP hero.
But i heard her turret only does 30 dps each, to me that sounds super weak and easy to shut down but then again i never played on console so i really dont have any idea how she plays there.
On PC there was a patch that made three turret not stack slow effect and they even nerf the slow that doomfist,genji and mobile heroes are not affected at all by the slow. Like its literally nonexistent to these heroes, thats why on pc her turret are just a mild annoyance tickle dmg
As ball, in fireball, one sym turret can slow me to a complete stop in approximately 2 seconds. Three turrets is like me hitting a wall. Its disgusting.
Might be a bug or need nerfing in my opinion. If thats the case then its broken and need fixing.
I posted a video on my previous reply and you can see that doomfist just fly away like nothin is slowing him while three turret are hitting him thats how useless her turrets are on PC.
