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Anf that small nerf was?

Tell yah what, if Iā€™m still making weekly ā€œi love Sigmaā€ threads, maybe give him a try?

Of course he is! Heā€™s an anti spam main tank. Donā€™t play him vs too many melees and beams and youā€™ll be fine.

I donā€™t even like playing him alongside another barrier tank.

Honestly after my admittedly limited time on the PTR I donā€™t think heā€™s worthless, I just think he wonā€™t have a home in any comp. Heā€™ll be decent in isolation but with Orisa essentially ceasing to exist he lacks the synergy that makes tank comps really click.

Maaaaybe we can see Sigma-Hammond be a comp someday but that will require a good Sig player and a good Hammond player and getting both in ladder is not easy.

Anything else, you basically need Rein or Winston (so, Rein).

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Thatā€™s kinda become my bread n butter :sweat_smile:

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Sigh.

Just give it a week and look at pickrates/winrates. I guarantee Rein will be at 16.6% and Sigma and Orisa will be sub 1% at all ranks with bad winrates.

Sigma was only viable with Orisa as it was and now heā€™s not viable anywhere. By a lot. Like, donā€™t even pick him in quickplay.

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I can do both of those and almost nothing else. Letā€™s go!

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We appreciate any solidarity! After all, we live in a world with a wide variety of alternative games to play. Any of us could just turn our backs on the game altogether. By continuing to play in some regard, but refusing to tank, we are communicating that we care enough to not just abandon the game.

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I honestly donā€™t think Sigā€™s win rate being low is necessarily a bad thing. Heā€™s a complicated tank and if morons with loaves of bread for brains can pick him up and get freelo then thatā€™s a problem.

If people who are GOOD at him are still suffering in win rates (i.e. if his pick rate gets so low that the only people left playing him are Sigma mains like Rocktopus and myself and his win rate STILL sucks) then he will need a buff, probably to his barrier to let him solo shield more effectively, or letting him cast Kinetic Grasp during his ult animation to give himself some safety.

But heā€™s certainly not worthless.

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There arent any rumors of that. Jeff said they tried 3-2-1 internally with Hog being a DPS. Idk how you would get ā€œhog is going to be DPSā€ out of that.

Heā€™s good with every tank, one of the reasons why heā€™s so magical.

Is he meta with ever tank though? No, of course not.

In fact, my biggest worry is too much Rein, but thatā€™s because deathball counters Siggy. If youā€™re against a beam-splosion, swap to ball. Too much cc? Then Zarya.

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I legit think the only tank he has no synergy with at all is Winston. Every other tank is at least passable with him. As long as heā€™s in a good balance state (which, if he isnā€™t, heā€™ll only need a small buff to get there) a good enough Sigma will justify picking him over another tank when paired up with almost anything.

Orisa is a better partner for Hog than Sigma. But I am not good at Orisa. I am good at Sigma. I will play Sigma-Hog and it will work a bit.

D.va or Winston are better partners for Hammond than Sigma. But I am not good at D.va, and Iā€™m only okay at Winston. I am good at Sigma. I will play Sigma-Hammond and it will work a bit.

I have no issue with this.

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In all sincerity I truly despise Sigmaā€™s design. He does everything. He got Orisa killed and I think he should go back to the drawing board entirely.

He doesnā€™t heal, or have a turret or light people on fire or buff his teammates or have any mobility

But sure ā€œEverythingā€

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He has no escape, a hard range cap, no CC mitigation for himself or his teammates, no healing, no armour, and no ability to headshot.

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I think Winston+Sigma is decent for a Winston comp, its just that the monkey sucks in general.

Basically how I play.

You just said that you think heā€™s overnerfed and not viable as a main tank though :expressionless:

But heā€™s my favorite hero.
Isnā€™t that kinda a strong reaction to Sigma? Do you even still play him, you stopped when you couldnā€™t off tank so well with him, right?

Give him a try as a main tank, I think when you learn to play him that way, youā€™ll start to see what I see.

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Eh. Just enjoy your queue times as DPS then. Others will breeze in the tank role and actually play tanks that arenā€™t Sigma and Orisa.

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Orisa and Sigma and definitely nerfed, the rest are not.

And both them needed to be taken down a notch, to what extent weā€™ll find out, notice the live nerfs are not as harsh as the PTR ones. Overall the last patches have been great for tanks. In hindsight Orisaā€™s revamp went in the wrong direction, but Reinā€™s and Sigmaā€™s were great and decreased tankā€™s reliance on synergies, which is good.

CC has also seen a reduction. Thereā€™s still a lot to go surely, however letā€™s not overlook the nerfs on Meiā€™s primary, Flux, Halt and Bash, as well as Steadfast buff.

Reaper has been brought down, took them half a year, but better later than never.

Hanzo nerfs are also significant and help a lot.

We will see how Orisa performs with OWL coming up, depending on what happens sheā€™ll likely get some shield strength back, pretty much reverting the revamp as a whole.

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I played him. He was ridiculously, unbelievably good at launch. Basically a free win. Later on he was hands down the best off tank in the game.

To be more clear, the problem with Sigma is he both off tanks and main tanks at the same time. He does too much damage to have that barrier. He needs to be fully committed to one role.

Sigma will still be playable and Orisa will definitely still work at lower tiers, these heroes havenā€™t been dumpstered like Roadhog or d.va ever was. Plus the devs need to consider that if the game is balanced but unfun, people wonā€™t want to play.

I honestly have no preference playing against sigma and actually really enjoy playing as him. On the contrary I hate both playing as and against Orisa due to her static and boring nature. They heroes havenā€™t been completely ruined and still have their own niches.

Does Mei need nerfs, yes I think she does but playing around an enemy Mei is believe it or not a great way to avoid her freeze and wall. Having 2 tank heroes just be better than the rest is horrible for the game as a whole.

Why tho? Of the gameā€™s 8 tanks, 3 of them could be said to fill the role of main tank or offtank as required (Wrecking Ball, Winston, Sigma). With only 8 tanks in the role, some level of flexibility needs to exist.

Iā€™ll be honest, I donā€™t care for Orisa either. If any one tank was to never be meta again and I had to choose ONE, Iā€™d choose Orisa. Iā€™m lying, Iā€™d pick D.va every day of the week but thatā€™s not my point.

I have no special love for the robot pony, same as I have no love for the Korean small child. But I acknowledge that some diversity is necessary in the tank role, and as much as Sigma and Orisa were stifling that, murdering Orisa and doing a number on Sig so that Reinhardt is now the must-pick instead of Orisa is not the way to solve that problem. The way to solve the problem is MORE TANKS, so we can have more than 2-3 be viable at any one time.