Tank Feels Great Right Now

[Lumin-1385]

@Jibblebutt-11490

in the case of Hog and Winston’s ults, it’s a buff.

Funny enough, these two were by far the biggest winners of this patch.

[Cruxis6v6-1967]

If wow classic came back 6v6 can come back. One was a Herculean task compared to the other and came back when enough people started complaining. Same thing is happening in OW2 and is growing each season.

[RickieSyxx-1718]

The thing with Mauga is that you can kind of brute force your way with brr brr minigun. Ramattra? Brr brrrrrrrr stop when shield brr brrrr cardiac when punchy robit.

I love having fun with him. It’s always fun

[Axafekt-1863]

Sigma eats him alive especially if your got a zen and ana.

[RickieSyxx-1718]

Yeah no that’s true. But the thing is in bronze and qp, people play Sigma like Spedma or whatever other funny haha joke.

But you do have a point

[Axafekt-1863]

Also a very fair point.

[Boarserker-1259]

in my best trump impression voice: WRONG

[Ph4yte-1757]

Thought that was pretty self explanatory when they said "out of combat " healing…

For someome who doesnt play the game you are on the forums daily not really adding much.

[RanYakumo-11741]

I play Junkrat a lot, and the crit change and the armor change only benefited me, and I still think 5v5 is stupid.

[FORTHEHORDE-122264]

How do I like this post more than once ?

That is an excellent question and now I am tracking this post for an answer.

[REDReMeDy-1122]

@Lumin-1385

Funny enough, these two were by far the biggest winners of this patch.

Naw, Hog was the biggest winner imo. So much so that they had to hot-fix nerf him. And he’s still very strong even with the nerf.

[Jaxtaro-1120]

@ƁȆĿĿȂ-2379

It hardly even does anything lol.
Sure, it is better than nothing but it won’t help you in combat

It literally heals for much more than the support innate, of which there has been no end to the labelling of it as OP.

[Veeshkav-1478]

I like it too. I finally have a large enough stable of heroes I can play confidently into any situation. Swap me, I’ll swap you back, lol. I don’t even have to counter the entire team, just their carry.

[Koboldoggo-1596]

Why are you 5v5 enjoyers always so angry and defensive?

[Veeshkav-1478]

@Cruxis6v6-1967

If wow classic came back 6v6 can come back

We can have it back RIGHT NOW, if we set it up in custom games. You go make the lobby and I will join it. 6v6 is available for everyone, it just takes some initiative and willingness to balance the teams.

[しょうがない-2230]

@MeisthighsSL-1361

The only reason tank sort of appears rock-paper-scissors is because other roles refuse to blunt it by making their own counterpick thinking its the tank’s sole responsibility.

requiring someone else to cover for you is a massive issue though. like I cannot stress hard enough how if you cant do something yourself, then you’re probably out of luck. so, yes, countering on the tank role is 100% as bad as it seems. you are not only at the mercy of the other tank but your own team too. its awful.

wouldn’t be too bad if the counters weren’t so extreme but as it stands, its counterwatch and its not fun to play for any role when the tanks spend the game swapping so much they never ult.

[ƁȆĿĿȂ-2379]

So what? Staying out of combat waiting to heal doesn’t win you matches.

[Yin-1797]

@REDReMeDy-1122

The rock-paper-scissors situation tanks are always in is because of the 5v5 format.

Has nothing to do with ti.

The base game format started with the idea of one Tank per team, if any at all. Tanks were intended to go up against four or more targets at once.

@REDReMeDy-1122

The tank role itself is the hardest role to play, and results in inconsistent match quality.

It’s not the hardest role. Damage-role is; it’s the whole reason season 9 had those changes in the first place. It’s the whole reason why the game switched to a 5v5 format, and why Role-Queue was introduced in the first place.

@Balderich-11952

if you actually looked at how the numbers on their armor work the only change is that Reaper and Tracer don’t deal as much damage, every other DPS hero is either dealing the same amount of damage (beam heroes) or dealing more damage in the case of projectile and hitscan heroes.

Except this is false.

Junker Queen isn’t taking more damage from a headshot from Hanzo or Widowmaker.

Roadhog isn’t taking more damage from Reaper or Tracer, but Tracer and Reaper are doing less critical damage against him without using TAB.

You really truly do not understand why they made armor changes, and you’re just following the same false logic these forums perpetuate.

@Balderich-11952

I think with the current armor system Pharah’s direct hits deal 100 damage to an armored tank.

115 vs. 84 on the 30% reduction. Same number of hits, overall.

@Jibblebutt-11490

25% headshot damage reduction is less than the previous 30% full body armour damage reduction.

Against armored this barely a difference, against non-armored it is a massive improvement.

@Jibblebutt-11490

A circumstantial one too, as characters like Bastion’s turret, Sigma, Rein, Moira, Zarya, Symmetra, Brig, Pharah, Venture and Ana couldn’t headshot in the first place.

So they aren’t doing any more or less damage then.

@Jibblebutt-11490

A Widow or Sojourn is going to do more damage to Rein than they did before.

No, this is false.

210 vs. 225. It is not a notable difference.

@Lumin-1385

But characters like D.Va actually get taken down much quicker.

D.va still has the highest KDA in the game; and it’s not trending downward.

@Lumin-1385

Even Rein is slightly weaker overall. And that’s not a good thing.

Reinhardt is trending upwards.

@Lumin-1385

But they are also the lowest skill tanks and the ones most tank players like playing as and against the least.

Mauga’s not even close to being the most played Tank. Nor is he really low-skilled.

@Lumin-1385

Hog needs more weaknesses to take a breather specifically.

It’s interruptible, stunnable, Biotic Grenade, Sleep, Rampage, and so on. Plenty of counter-play.

@MeisthighsSL-1361

If they made it where tanks are immune to crits entirely you’d prolly still say they are weaker cause armor made

Many Tanks are completely immune to critical hits… temporarily. Orisa’s Fortify, Roadhog’s TAB, Wrecking Ball’s Ball form, Reinhardt’s Barrier, Doomfist’s Powerblock, Ramattra’s Barrier, and Nemesis form Block, Winston’s Barrier, Sigma’s Kinetic Grasp and Barrier, Zarya’s Particle Barrier, D.va’s Defense Matrix, and so on.

@Balderich-11952

Characters with armor got a nerf.

No, they didn’t.

@McKoa-2713

So please start and give people reasons why you think 5v5 is better, and don’t just say the devs won’t go back to 6v6 anyway

6v6 isn’t likely to come back, especially with Role-Queue. 6v6 as a standard, free-for-all format, likely would as an Overwatch “Classic”, which would mean GOATS becomes dominant again, and the Damage-role largely irrelevant.

@Lumin-1385

It’s 4 non-tank heroes. Tracer, Sombra, Lifeweaver, and Reaper. Literally everyone else is better against armor.

Soldier is 14 to 13
Lucio is 13 to 13.
Genji is 22 to 19
Genji criticals is 57 to 60

Wrecking Ball’s damage is halved.
Sojourn’s damage is halved.
Torbjorn’s RMB damage is halved.
Mauga’s damage is halved.
Doomfist’s Handcannon damage is halved.

It’s not a binary improvement for some heroes, and a reduction for others. And it never has been. You really need to understand this.

@Balderich-11952

It is worse against: Widowmaker,

210 vs. 225 on a 1.4 second recovery

@Balderich-11952

Sojourn

Primary fire damage is halved.

@Balderich-11952

Soldier: 76,

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

Cassidy

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

Pharah,

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

Echo

No real change. Primary fire is 12 vs. 11.9.

@Balderich-11952

Hanzo

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

Bastion,

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

Genji,

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

Junkrat,

Slight improvement in damage from all sources.

@Balderich-11952

Torbjorn,

No real change, RMB damage is halved.

@Balderich-11952

Venture.

No real change.

@Balderich-11952

It is neutral gainst: Mei and Symmetra.

Mei
70 to 49
Critical damage 105 to 105

@Lumin-1385

There are some where one fire mode is weaker but another is stronger. But overall heroes like Sojourn are buffed because rail gun is so much more effective.

Again, wrong.

30% reduction critical damage: 137 to 25% critical reduction on armored targets: 141

@Jibblebutt-11490

Oh no, my Tracer who wasn’t isn’t even designed to tank bust can no longer tank bust,

Tracer IS the biggest problem to Tanks, and always has been. No hero was designed to be a tank-buster. Pulse Bomb does more damage now against armored tanks.

@Jibblebutt-11490

Good thing Ashe, Bastion, McCree, Echo, Genji, Hanzo, Junkrat, Mei, Pharah, Sojourn, Soldier, Symmetra, Venture and Widowmaker do more damage to them now.

Except none of them do more damage, they do about the same.

@RanYakumo-11741

I play Junkrat a lot, and the crit change and the armor change only benefited me, and I still think 5v5 is stupid.

Junkrat doesn’t critical hit. However, since he’s the only one with multiple cooldowns dealing 100 damage or more, and his ultimate hits for 600 damage, he actually does see a real improvement. Knockback resistance does affect him, though.

@Jaxtaro-1120

It literally heals for much more than the support innate, of which there has been no end to the labelling of it as OP.

Yep. But active triage is still powerful and still needed, plus it gives Supports opportunities to charge their very powerful ultimates.

@しょうがない-2230

requiring someone else to cover for you is a massive issue though. like I cannot stress hard enough how if you cant do something yourself, then you’re probably out of luck. so, yes, countering on the tank role is 100% as bad as it seems. you are not only at the mercy of the other tank but your own team too. its awful.

Team game with a focus on teamwork is not an issue. It would be nice if Overwatch didn’t have such a heavy focus on teamwork and teamplay, but that’s not really an issue given the way the game was designed.

@ƁȆĿĿȂ-2379

So what? Staying out of combat waiting to heal doesn’t win you matches.

You heal so long as you don’t take damage. Has nothing to do with being in combat.

[REDReMeDy-1122]

First off, there being only 1 tank has everything to with why tank feels like rock-paper-scissors now. With two tanks this was not the case, but that had a host of other issues attached to it.

Secondly, if you said dps was the hardest role before S9 then yeah, thats a valid argument. But now we’re in S10, and thats not the case. At all. Not even close.

Youre living in the past a bit here mate.

[Ph4yte-1757]

That wasnt thier point… they just said the out of combat healing helps… ofc it doesnt help in combat…

Thus the out of combat comment.