This is absolutely beautiful. Thanks so much for sharing your analysis.
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apparently your ignoring the fact that his form of artificial escalation is STILL more devastating than natural escalation
Option 1 - Natural Escalation: omnics slowly quietly surpass humans in all areas including hacking, intelligence, fire power, and population with no need for things like food, until they eventually take over the world and a group of them casually kill off the humans either directly or through hacking other omnics. Humankind lacks training in various battle situations in both how to restrain omnics and other various military factions that pose a threat to humanity. Scientific research on how to achieve transcendance of suffering and mortality is ignored in favor of slow politically correct methods that do not achieve either of these ends.
Option 2 - Artificial Escalation: omnics are immediately confronted and restrained with everyone globally aware of exactly how big a potential threat omnics are to the survival of humans, and solutions to various military threats omnics pose are figured out. Solutions further to a multitude of new military issues posed by innovative technology and hybrid/enhanced beings are figured out because conflicts are immediately thrown into the open to observe. Massive brave strides are made towards immortality and transcending suffering via research that while offensive and brutal in its methods, achieves results that permanently benefit billions in undeniably massive ways.
Which of these options is more devastating?
This is the best Overwatch related insult I have EVER heard.
This is a ridiculously pointless assertion. We have zero indication that omnics would ever decide to kill off humans if it werenât for people intentionally antagonizing them in the first place.
Nothing else you say makes sense unless you can prove that omnics already planned to wipe out mankind before humans treated them like slaves.
âIt happens a lot in sci-fi storiesâ isnât a sufficient answer, either.
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Death to omnics! Down with bots! We need to kill Zen that scumbag must go!
The point is Talon puts things in a light where the crisis of omnics can be dealt with and people can learn through conflict to better handle omnic-related issues that have a large potential to wipe humanity out if not sufficiently moderated.
Omnics are not evil. Omnics are equivalent in value to any human being. And likewise, just as we would not want a single country to run the world, we donât want a single form of technological life to run the world. Omnics have unique powers that are incredible, both in their creative AND destructive power. Without conflict that puts these abilities on clear understandable display, people simply will not grasp this otherwise abstract subtle issue.
Thus, âdeath to omnicsâ is not the answer but rather, âfight the omnicsâ is. This way omnics and humans can understand each otherâs unique powers better, and better understand what boundaries should be drawn. A balance can be reached, but only through a lot of fighting and reflecting on each fightâs various successes and failures. This is how we can evolve.
- Omnics Hivemind systems are closed circuit
- non-counterable firepower, is closed circuit, and wouldnât have omnics running it as a just in case
- There are people like Sombra that would quickly catch on and send a warning
- over watch is the ONLY reason humans won, even during the omnic crisis, THERE WERE FREAKING OMNICS IN OVERWATCH, meaning there was omnic resistance to this ideal making option 1 completely moot
Litterally the only three people that arenât doing it for profit are Akande, Gabriel, and Moira
Akande has un-adressed PTSD and would be thrown in a psych-ward, Gabriel wants revenge because he was already and edge lord petty man, and Moira will do anything for research of any kind doesnât matter how pointless it is, she would do (and probably already has done) research on making someone sneeze from hearing the word cupcake.
Literally the rest of Talon does it to make as much money as possible, they would nuke the planet if it meant they could make money and live on mars as the last remnants of Earth
WowâŚ! This is a fairly interesting perspective to go over. Seeing Talon in the perspective of the Heroes as they try to make the world Stronger no matter what is fairly interesting.
Though of course, their means of achieving this goal and the things they are willing to do range from Breaking into facilities, stealing from the innocence, Brainwashing and manipulating whoever they need, eliminating those who make this goal impossible, and having all of this lead up to a full scale War. And because of their approach, I do not agree with the notion that their actions are justifiable for the sake of this goal.
But yeah, I think it is still fairly interesting to see this from the side of Talon as they want to achieve the goal of making humanity stronger, and it makes things seem less black and white. But even though they are achieving a goal for the greater goal, are their actions really justifiable? Thatâs for you to decide.
Talon is, no matter how noble its overarching cause, very much respectful of individual causes and ambitions.
Akande said it himself in the Masquerade comic that he respects members such as Sombra with a bit of ambition, even if she outright ruined an entire mission for her own personal agenda. Ambition is nothing to be ashamed of -it is the basis of a true democracy that competing ambitions clash so that great leaders representing noble personal virtues may emerge.
Doomfist loves the fun and liveliness of conflict that provides a proper challenge to everything a person embodies. Reaper revels in the brutal justice he dishes out that no other bureaucrat can hope to. Moira strives to bring humanity closer to immortality and transcendence of suffering and succeeds in doing so while other scientists condescend and condemn from lesser places of ignorance; among other interests in the scientific arts. Sombra strives to strengthen her network of people and take down the sod that spied on her and runs a global conspiracy that seems to seek not merely conflict but the destruction of all life via an attempt to destroy the world through the Omnic Crisis (though itâs not yet confirmed that the Global Conspiracy caused the Omnic Crisis but I canât imagine why else it would be in the Overwatch universe if not for causing that crisis). Maximilienâs ambitions are not entirely clear and I suspect they are far greater than mere profit; though there is nothing wrong with striving to be wealthy. Vialiâs problem was he made his personal goal THE overarching goal of Talon, and even Maximilien took issue with that by backing Doomfist before Doomfist killed Viali. While itâs good to have personal ambitions one strives for such as wealth or knowledge or glory, Doomfist affirmed that itâs more important to have everyoneâs ambitions unified not in the name of profit, but in the name of the just cause of bettering all people.
I believe Talonâs members have a strong sense of right and wrong thatâs so fierce, they understand nuanced things like balancing freedom with unity while still maintaining power and secrecy in the overarching cause of the betterment of all people through conflict. Thus, I do not believe Talon would ever go as far as destroying everyone else for their own selfish gains -rather, they want to make their selfish gains while helping everyone else simultaneously in Talonâs special warlike way only Talon understands. Itâs not so different from how many modern countries in the world act -why is Talon so evil and worthy of destruction for doing it so effectively?
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This, this is the smart thing about all the playable heroes.
Theyâre all called Heroes, because all of them Genuinely believe that theyâre improving the world.
Except Widowmaker, she doesnât have a choice in all this.
But all the Heroes in Talon Genuinely believe that theyâre making the world a better place
So doomfist doesnât actually want progression he wants to constant war, thatâs wrong
Itâs been made pretty obvious especially with how widowmaker was made that Reaper is being manipulated subtly, he wants justice for what happened to him so what do you think he is going to do to talon if it turns out itâs their fault
Moira, again, doesnât actually care if itâs beneficial or improves humanity, she wants to know every possibility that science can achieve and that is why she is looked down upon, her ambition is rampant and itâs implied heavily over %50 of her experiments were useless and only caused unneeded suffering, she boils down to pulling the leg off a frog and see how it will react when everyone knows it will react in pain she wants to see it regardless how predictable and useless the knowledge is
Your wrong, Before Akande, Talon was a Merc group that started wars for profit, during Akande, they went for a lot more political figures to force useless strife and would have constantly sent hitmen after him if he was losing them money, and immediately went back to making a profit for themselves without following any of Akende BS ideals, not progressing humanity with their forced fights and in fact hindering humanity with their forced strifes the exact opposite of what Akandeâs âidealsâ are.
Sombra straight up does not care about making the world a better place as long as itâs hers
Well, sheâs chasing the eye conspiracy. So thereâs that
you mean the one that only she seems to be aware of and would rather keep it that way?
Not very heroic
In fairness of all the Talon characters Sombraâs not even controversial. I havenât actually seen her do anything that even seemed evil in the eyes of a normal person. When has she killed an innocent that wasnât trying to kill her first? Has she actually significantly harmed good people in her pursuit? Did she not single-handedly ruin a Talon mission in her cinematic? Did she not justly leak corrupt practices by Lumerico which by our own worldâs standards would be considered a heroic act? Is it not her thatâs chasing what looks like a giant evil conspiracy in order to bring it down?
I can understand while still disagreeing with perspectives against most of the Talon characters, but come on I canât see a fault in Sombraâs undeniably just actions. Unless breaking the law and hacking and manipulation are somehow inherently evil which is a jarring legalist orderly perspective to have, Sombra despite her âedgyâ style walks the straight-and-narrow shockingly well. Or am I supposed to pity corrupt politicians and corrupt businesses because they were illegally exposed for doing illegal things?
Vigilantism is wrong.
Submission to evil in the name of order is wrong.
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Sombra is by definition chaotic neutral, her short kinda proves that
she doesnât want to destroy the people that apparently rule the world she wants to control them anything she does, itâs ultimately for her own benefit