Sym rework could've been an entirely different hero

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They are also losing the TP which you’ll need if one or more people get picked off because you want them back in the fight. Plus if your idea means that she gives 75 shields and they stay on permanently (or unless they die) doesn’t that just make the ability kind of worthless because you won’t get much use out of it? If it temporary then it still seems kinda of useless because Brigette does the same thing and her’s is arguably better because armor reduces damage.

You’re still thinking about the present. This is past Symmetra before first rework.
Entirely different atmosphere.

In team fights her orbs hitting were mostly luck and you wouldn’t be spamming orbs in a team fight much anyway when you can just use the chaos to either spread your turrets or ramp up or beam. Outside when you sneak up on someone then yeah there is that use but outside of that and farming ult, they don’t have much impact.

Depends how you use it.

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You’re still thinking about the present. This is past Symmetra before first rework.

Entirely different atmosphere.

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I’m confused I know your talking about v.1 but are you saying this is before all the new characters and balances changes were added or this is a revamped v.1 in present day OW?

Depends how you use it.

There are only like 2 ways of using her Orb effectivly
1.) Flanking and using it to take off a chunk of health so you didn’t need to rely on your beam ramping up to kill an enemy
2.) Spamming down choke points to get free ult charge

Outside of that, her orbs didn’t serve many purposes, you could probably get a nice kill with it here and there but that was literally 90% pure luck because the orbs move so slow that the enemy has 3 years to move out the way. Even if they don’t your doing to be feeding the supports ult charge because you can’t fire fast enough.

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I’m confused I know your talking about v.1 but are you saying this is before all the new characters and balances changes were added or this is a revamped v.1 in present day OW?

Before all the new stuff was added in because v1 Symmetra was not in a good state. If V1 with my suggestions in current today meta. She’d be mostly a C tier hero or B.

There are only like 2 ways of using her Orb effectivly

1.) Flanking and using it to take off a chunk of health so you didn’t need to rely on your beam ramping up to kill an enemy

2.) Spamming down choke points to get free ult charge

Outside of that, her orbs didn’t serve many purposes, you could probably get a nice kill with it here and there but that was literally 90% pure luck because the orbs move so slow that the enemy has 3 years to move out the way. Even if they don’t your doing to be feeding the supports ult charge because you can’t fire fast enough.

I know

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Before all the new stuff was added in because v1 Symmetra was not in a good state. If V1 with my suggestions in current today meta. She’d be mostly a C tier hero or B.

I don’t see how, no offense but I don’t see how these changes fix her issues and make her seen a a more viable hero or a threat to the other team.

[Fen9913-1366]

I don’t see how, no offense but I don’t see how these changes fix her issues and make her seen a a more viable hero or a threat to the other team.

Your team will have 75 shield hp at start. Teleporter up grants them additional 50 shield hp. Team is healthy on shield hp and best person to team up with is Mercy or Lucio. Changes make her a decent hero pick, but not over the top. She won’t be F tier.

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@Tobow-1840

I’m not complaining

You should be because it’s not OK to replace 1 hero with another 1 after 2 years after launch.

@JangBahadur-1968

Sanjay’s kit sounds pretty fun, and he could be added to the game as a new hero instead of as a replacement for Symmetra.

What makes me angry and disappointed is that he is replacing Symmetra, replacing a part of the Overwatch Roster, rather than Adding to it.

What should be making us all happy (addition of a new hero) is making some of us very bitter (because Blizzard is removing a hero from the game, that is the favourite of many players, to add that new hero).

Because we all have our favourite heroes in the game, and if these heroes were one day removed from the game, we’d be upset.

Imagine if Genji was one day removed from the game, the same day when a new Hero was added.

Imagine if Soldier was one day removed from the game, the same day when a new Hero was added.

Players would have legitimate reasons to be upset.

They might even enjoy the new hero but they will be bitter that they lost one they loved to play.

The same is happening with Symmetra.

But Symmetra is not everyone’s favourite so players think it’s fine if she gets removed.

But in doing this, you are setting a trend of “I like the New hero so I don’t care whether the hero you enjoy gets removed”.

It’s not a healthy for the game to remove heroes like this.

And it’s not healthy for the players to have this indifferent attitude towards other players who are passionate about certain unpopular heroes.

This is not what Overwatch should be like.

As OW players we should not support these types of changes, that seek to remove a Hero rather than simply adding a new one to the game.

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TP can still be found and destroyed so your team has no faster way from spawn and they lose 50 shields.

It doesn’t fix the fact that her playstyle is very stagnated.

Wouldn’t it be unfair to everyone because simply Sym being there to give her team 75 shields (if your saying it permanent, if not then the ability seems kinda of worthless) an unfair advantage because now your fighting a team another team with a health advantage with no counterplay other than having Sombra is every game now to counter it or just run very damage and somewhat cheese heroes like Junk and Bastion.

It doesn’t fix her problems it just adds a gimmick to her which is what made her first rework fail, it didn’t fix what was wrong it just added some more and gave us the shield generator gimmick

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TP can still be found and destroyed so your team has no faster way from spawn and they lose 50 shields.

It doesn’t fix the fact that her playstyle is very stagnated.

Wouldn’t it be unfair to everyone because simply Sym being there to give her team 75 shields (if your saying it permanent, if not then the ability seems kinda of worthless) an unfair advantage because now your fighting a team another team with a health advantage with no counterplay other than having Sombra is every game now to counter it or just run very damage and somewhat cheese heroes like Junk and Bastion.

It doesn’t fix her problems it just adds a gimmick to her which is what made her first rework fail, it didn’t fix what was wrong it just added some more and gave us the shield generator gimmick

The tp will always be destroyed if found. Appreciate the shield 50 shield hp while it’s still up. You’re putting too much worried into it and not accepting there always going to be counters. I know that, but it helps her out on the support shield side. You gain extra shield hp on top of the regular one she gives out. The fact shield hp can regenerate during combat helps out even more than waiting 3 seconds outside of combat.

As you said you only came in after first rework so it might be hard for you to decipher any of her V1 stuff. You can think of it, but you never experience it which is why you trying to find other ways to debunk what I am saying.

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That still doesn’t fix issues like the stagnant play style with makes her lose to character matchups and the sheild idea that you suggest just sounds gimmicky. She gives a potential 125 extra shields 75 that can regenerate while fighting just sounds broken because nothing is going to die without ults even then her use would still be regulated to cheese co,ps because those comps rely on building up a ton of Hp so no one dies.

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Nope. Things do die if focus down and for the shield hp to regenerate as going at a fairly moderating pacing similar to Lucio aoe healing. Sure it may create cheese comps, but there are other heroes who do burst damage that takes large hp away fast. Think about matches without Shield generator, armor kit or Bridgette ultimate. If the enemy team have great defense then you have nothing, but an ultimate to rely on.

That right there is nothing new.

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There is no counterplay to that. And saying just focus fire isn’t a valid one. With sheild gen all you needed to do was destroy it to shut it down. All this does it make her ultimate an ability with no counterplay and makes her frustrating to play because your expanding heal and nothing will die fast enough. Focus fire or not fights will drag out. You didn’t fix her already expository problems you just made a new one that imo isn’t healthy for the state of the game now.

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And saying just focus fire isn’t a valid one.

That’s how this game a.k.a team based games works.

You didn’t fix her already expository problems you just made a new one that imo isn’t healthy for the state of the game now.

Can’t tell. Never been implemented or ever will. I mean something like this have came close if you had Torbjorn and Symmetra on the team. It can be taken down because it all relies on strategies or dive comps with combinations of ultimate like that doesn’t happen on a daily basis.

Focus fire or not fights will drag out.

Fights will be drag out if both teams are equal. This has happen w/o Symmetra presence and even with. All it takes is a couple of counter plays to shut it down something that always been accomplished.

With sheild gen all you needed to do was destroy it to shut it down.

Yeah just like teleporter so…

All this does it make her ultimate an ability with no counterplay and makes her frustrating to play because your expanding heal and nothing will die fast enough.

Have teleporter ever had a counter play besides just bringing allies back to the field? Granting them 50 shield hp helps out a bit. Nothing would make it frustrating to her because she’s now useful to the team which is all she needed. Do you not know the concept of shield support or is this the only game you’ve seen it in action?

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It really should be. Sadly, at this point Blizz has already said it’s a rework, and they’re too stubborn to ever admit a mistake, even before they’ve really made it

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That’s how this game a.k.a team based games works.

Then by that logic Mercy shouldn’t have be nerfed then because all you needed was focus fire.

Can’t tell. Never been implemented or ever will. I mean something like this have came close if you had Torbjorn and Symmetra on the team. It can be taken down because it all relies on strategies or dive comps with combinations of ultimate like that doesn’t happen on a daily basis.

You took her v1 kit and added a sheild gimmick. If they didn’t go with that idea and went with something different when they made Sym v2 then yeah, it wouldn’t work.

You can win fights without ults or using few ultra for this compsnyou can only win with ultra because the health for the enemy team would be too high.

Fights will be drag out if both teams are equal. This has happen w/o Symmetra presence and even with. All it takes is a couple of counter plays to shut it down something that always been accomplished.

If someone or multiple people have abilities that negate damage or grant health that’s the only time fights will drag on. If you need a Sym just to be even with the other team on defences, that’s not healthy.

Have teleporter ever had a counter play besides just bringing allies back to the field? Granting them 50 shield hp helps out a bit. Nothing would make it frustrating to her because she’s now useful to the team which is all she needed. Do you not know the concept of shield support or is this the only game you’ve seen it in action?

It is still frustrating because the problem wasn’t that it didn’t do enough it’s that you needed to baby sit it to keep it from being destroyed. You just gave it the ability to grant shields but that doesn’t stop Sym from needed to constantly peel for it and protect it from being destroyed. Your adding a gimmick without fixing the big problems she has.

There isn’t anymore to add this, it wouldn’t work because it doesn’t fix he big problems she has

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It is a different hero called Sanjay with the same skin as the deceased Symmetra.