SVB always a voice of reason

If you haven’t seen SVB speak on his thoughts about why 5v5 COULD be great for OW2 here’s the link.

My thoughts.

Personally I like the idea of more players in online games. The thought of 5v5 by itself isn’t alluring to me. Many of us aren’t what you would call excited about such a fundamental change being brought forth, but I think we can hold off on some of the negativity till we get a more solid idea of what the game will feel like. To be frank, that might be up until a beta or the retail game drops.

It’s also impossible to please everyone. The vocal minority might even believe that the majority is on their side if we don’t consider factors of success if OW2 isn’t received well.

I think it’s also good to recognize how our emotions tie into our perception of what OW will become. 5v5 isn’t a guaranteed death warrant for the property. No one can possibly know that at this point. If you don’t end up enjoying it, then move on to something else. Just like anything else used for entertainment.

I’m going to give the devs a chance. My belief is they are passionate about OW and want to make it better. You personally may disagree with their choices, but no dev wants to make a bad game. Have some healthy skepticism, wait for reviews or a beta to see if it’s for you when the time comes. Let your voice of concern be heard. But put your emotions in check, give them a chance before writing the game off and pressing F.

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One key point from the video. Maybe 20 OWL OffTank specialists lose their jobs.

But if OW2 flops, then everybody loses their jobs.

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Yup. My concern isn’t with OWL anyway. I really couldn’t care less if anyone loses their job. I don’t wish that on anyone, and yes it would suck, but it really doesn’t concern me. My enjoyment of OWL is sporadic at best as I don’t dedicate much time to watching it.

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At a minimum it moves the game from “Rein or Lose”,

to at least “Rein or Orisa or Sigma or Lose”

Zarya and Winston will be good for Dive comps.

Hog and D.va will probably need some heavy reworks.

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The game isn’t rein or lose

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Close enough to it for 95% of the playerbase.

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You don’t know what the minimum is. How can you possibly claim that? They’re already changing something fundamental to OW, do you think they won’t do the same with how tanks are designed?

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Because I’ve probably spent 500 hours thinking on all their options for queue design and how to “Fix Tanks” without causing DoubleBarrier.

That said, I think Hammond is going to need to be moved to the DPS Role.

They can’t balance him with so little CC in 5v5. And even if they could for the top 2%, 95% of players would cry bloody murder if he gets picked.

Exactly, it’s not. The 95% they are making is a made up stat.

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That’s just a simple estimation of “players below Masters Rank”.

Yeah, they might move him to dps, let’s not forget they’re introducing more heroes into the game. And your 500 hours spent thinking about whatever is going on in your mind isn’t saying much, when it comes to that. We’ve received a 2 hour video of a work in progress.

This community really needs to chill on what they are so certain of in a currently in development game.

Where is that data coming from?

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Mostly outdated sources, with a bit of wiggle room for including Quickplay players.

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Not everything said is negativity. Some people just dont like what they are doing and are expressing it, there needs to be a backlash if we want them to change it.

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Honestly one of my main worries currently is Snipers/Hitscans. I hope they really do keep an eye on them like they said they were going to.

And also with getting rid of so much CC from the game then also giving an in depth look at heroes that are heavily countered by CC such as Doom, Tracer, Genji, Ball, etc.

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I’m excited.

Maybe D.Va will get her matrix range back.

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They’ve given her more Matrix and faster regen for it currently. Hopefully further changes come too :slight_smile:

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Yup, also Bionade, Earthshatter, and DamageBoosts.

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Yeah Zen/Mercy seem like they’re going to be incredibly strong. Hopefully they aren’t going to overlook Damage Boost/Discord orb.

Here’s a thought.

Cap damage boosts at 100%.

Count headshots as 100% damage boost.

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Am I missing something? Where does the data show where not having a Rein amounts to roughly 95% of loses. Help me out here. That second link keeps requesting for me to turn addblocks off and I’m not going to do it.

You directly quoted me and then said "not everything is negativity. I’m aware, that’s why I said hold off on some of the negativity. I also said voice your concerns. What I mean is, some expressions of thoughts aren’t constructive. Whining about how 5v5 will automatically destroy OW2 shouldn’t be considered constructive for anyone.

Valid. They talked about it with Mei, so we have evidence of something being done about CC.

But furthermore, I don’t see why they would overlook any (or at least most) of those glaringly obvious issues about damage, Cooldowns, utility anyway. Those are going to be primary focal points in development. Especially with the amount of time they are taking developing OW2, it just wouldn’t make sense they’d overlook many of our concerns. I say that because I have faith they won’t overlook them. That’s the least of my concerns.

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