Ok so you’ve now moved from “no one complains about it” to “yall mfs are puppets who just listen to the puppet master”
jesus christ.
Also sym and doom got nerfed because the blizzard balance team is made up of morons. Double shield was the main complaint the entire time.
What do you mean “tier list balancing” one role is better than the others for no reason its a bad thing end of.
The only reason tanks being so much stronger is accepted by the community is because there is ONE of them and people are still chaseing the overwatch 1 high and want some semblance of the original game and because it is by far the least played role so they wont gut it. Support has no reason to be as good as it is.
Except it’s not. Support is weaker now than it was in the past, and will likely be toned down more to accommodate the new healing passive.
Supports have every right to shine, just like DPS and Tanks.
Reading comprehension; I stopped back then caring what most people had to say because it was just an echo chamber of “Sym and Doomfist op dps” because someone made a video about how good they were into Double Barrier that it made “Hard to play dps worthless”
I see literally NOTHING changed since then.
Also I don’t see people complain about the support passive because I play the game, where the most complaints are about Tank balance being crap and counter swapping being way too easy now
You’re kind of proving the OPs point. They’re weaker yet still by far the strongest role in the game but we’re supposed to believe that somehow makes the “supports are unplayable” crying from season 1 make any sense? The crying has at this point been shown to have been wrong. They were never underpowered or unplayable it was the players not being used to having anything even slightly challenge them.
You’re right. They can shine. The issue is the shine they have is about 50x brighter than the shine dps and tanks have. This ignorance and idea that supports aren’t completely above the other roles is genuinely tiring.
It’s been talked about constantly throughout the community, it’s STILL being brought up consistently.
Supports have the best abilities, bloated kits, some of the best ults, can out duel DPS, immortality abilities, and are by far the easiest role in the game to play.
No one is saying supports need to be terrible, they just need to be on the same strength level as dps and tanks… which they aren’t.
I don’t remember them getting giga buffed, but I agree. Support was still my favorite in Season 1. The reason why Bap and Zen sucked in season 1 was because the players were more spread out. Making Bap’s contribution throughout most of the match barring lamps and windows to be minimal. The more open wide battles also meant mobile heroes could more freely dunk on Zenyatta.
Ultimately I think it was more a matter of circumstance of how the game was usually played minus one tank. Nowadays, at least in Quick Play, the game flow is near identical to 6v6, minus how feast or famine tanks can be if they get insta deleted.
I mean lucio is good, but not that good lmao.
Its not.
who got their healing nerfed.
Yea and they got power crept by the new support ults. Beat/Trans is what you think about when you say support ults have always been the best ults now these are no where near the best (kitsune).
Ana’s grenade used to last for 5 seconds with 100% bonus on a 10 second cooldown; down to 4 seconds with 50% on a 10 second cooldown both healing 100 health; Now it’s a 3 second duration on a 12 second cooldown healing 60
Baptiste used to heal 70 per shot regardless of where he hit; Now it’s 50 max splash with 20 bonus on direct for 70 single 50 splash when it was 70 regardless
Moira used to heal 80hps with her hot effect; now it’s 70 with the hot effect
Mercy lost 5hps
Brigitte’s Inspire used to be 21hps now it’s 15; the only slight buff is now her repair packs heal 25 instantly rather than the full 125 over time
Zen is the same
Lucio is the same; other than his self healing being slightly lowered because of the support passive, and Amp It Up healing him more in OW2 than in OW1
Those are the biggest changes to primary healing sources.
Of abilities only Baptiste’s shift is stronger than in OW1
Also Kitsune is meta dependent? Since Mauga has fallen off so much and Rammatra is picking up steam, Kiriko is being dropped for Lucio
That’s not a justification.
That’s just not being a to comprehend that 3x tierlists is balanced differently than 1x tierlist.
Also the reason, was because you want to get as close to 1-2-2 ratio of players per role, for Queue/Matchmaking purposes.
Which yeah, could use some toning down. But they are literally going to do that in the next patch, in a big way.
There’s a difference between being overpowered and a Support that is popping off. People are blurring the lines between the two.
People need to stop witch hunting the whole role when it’s only 1-2 heroes that have problems. Especially when the game plays differently at high ranks vs low ranks.
Flankers were stonng in S1.
But beat / trans are defensive ults
Kitsune rush is a team wide temporal buff, an offensive support ult, you can’t compare them
Also, kitsune won’t ever save from a team wipe thing that Lucio and zen can
Ana nade is primarily used to anti.
Gained instant 100 hp on shift and lost a tank
10 lost a tank.
5 lost a tank
small potato’s also lost a tank
if I’m remembering correctly zen got buffed to 50hps also lost a tank
Also lost a tank.
Kitsune is broken when the meta favour’s it. It was the only reason Winston was used in OWL finals at the start of ow2
yes tanks have bigger hp bars now. Still need less heals to balance it out.
When your talking about old moira and bap yes they were broken them and early brig are the reason dps never got played pre role Q because why not take tanks you can sustain all the time.
Support was never properly adapted to this game and its numbers are too high.
IMO healing passive for supports is useless. Tanks must have this instead. Not DPS because they can be immortal.
It’s three. Bap, Kiri and Ana. If those are nerfed/reworked down to balanced levels then I suspect Lifeweaver may be too much as well. It’s not a small % of the support roster. There are some other changes I suspect may end up being problematic after the big 3 are brought down but I’m not as sure about them.
We’ve been getting nerfs since S1. What buff are you talking about?
I think it was the DPS passive destroying us.
it’s not just 1-2 heroes… you THINK it’s 1-2 heroes because you just go based off what’s meta and what’s being played. Most of the role is idiotic. Really only lucio and moira are remotely balanced.
They got buffed in season 1.
And yes you guys have gotten nerfs since then, and guess what. Your heroes and role are so broken that even after the nerfs, support is STILL by far the best role in the game.
What does losing a tank have to do with anything I said?
You don’t need to shoot through 2000hp of barriers to do damage to people now; and all the healing is lower to boot
Plus every tank has had some form of damage buff be it straight increase in damage, tighter spread, faster rates of fire, faster reloads, or fall of changes.