Suggesting a change to hanzo

[Devil-26652]

I think Hanzo should be less like a jack-of-all-trades and starts getting a niche.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Even then you can’t kill more than two full hp heroes or one full hp tank.

Why should an ability be able to kill a ton of players.

It’s an ability, not an ultimate.

What you’re asking for is like giving Junkrat 4 concussion mines on a 10sec cooldown.

[Arcadius-11555]

He already has 2. That’s already the equivalent of a storm arrow.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

He already has 2. That’s already the equivalent of a storm arrow.

Killing one enemy is equivalent to killing 2 enemies?

[Arcadius-11555]

Grenade+mine, grenade+mine is 2 kills

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Grenade+mine, grenade+mine is 2 kills

So we should balance it to compare to two primary shots and the ability?

[Arcadius-11555]

“Well Hanzo can fire an arrow and then use his ability for maximum profit”

[GreyFalcon-11737]

“Well Hanzo can fire an arrow and then use his ability for maximum profit”

He can fire a normal arrow, use his ability, and then fire a normal arrow.

Gg ez, right

Then we can scale it a bit considering he head a 10sec cooldown instead of a 16sec cooldown.

Which comes out to about 3 arrows that can’t headshot.

[Arcadius-11555]

To be fair, really, if Hanzo actually kills two people with his primary and storm arrow (with no crits), they probably deserved it. That’s a lot of time that Hanzo can be focused

[GreyFalcon-11737]

To be fair, really, if Hanzo actually kills two people with his primary and storm arrow (with no crits), they probably deserved it. That’s a lot of time that Hanzo can be focused

That’s 475 damage, that can headshot for 950 damage.

If you can’t kill a 200hp target with that much raw firepower, you’re bad at the game.

[Arcadius-11555]

With no crits it’s 475 damage over something like 3-4 seconds. Even more than that if Hanzo holds onto his arrows for a better shot

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Looks like it’s exactly 2.1 seconds, for 1 normal arrow and 5 storm arrows.
https://gfycat.com/pepperyoffbeatjackal

And 1 normal arrow + 3 stormarrows would be 1.5 seconds.

[Arcadius-11555]

Right, something optimal for a non-aggressive target

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Right, something optimal for a non-aggressive target

Optimal for a Winston with a head hitbox the size of the moon, that’s attacking at close range.

Or spamming at a Tracer, where one headshot from any of those 6 arrows will instakill or nearly instakill.

Or taking off 90% of the health of an Orisa barrier as fast as a Roadhog.

[Arcadius-11555]

That’s one full health tank with a big hitbox. That’s some potential but still, imo, wasted potential. Smaller hitboxes are harder to hit and obviously require some precision, as they are moving/strafing to avoid even primary fire.

Barriers I’m not even remotely worried about. It’s Blizzard’s own fault for nerfing Orisa’s barrier. Hopefully they will revert that mess.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

It’s Blizzard’s own fault

…for making a hero with an instakill be too multipurpose.

[Arcadius-11555]

Well at least we can agree on something

[Skald-1493]

Per the devs every hero needs a glaring weakness except of course if that hero is Hanzo.

@GeoffGoodman

I think its worth talking a little about our balance philosophy here. People often will post things such as “why doesn’t Blizzard see that this hero has X as a weakness and that is what should be fixed.”

One aspect of our heroes that is very important is that they all have various strengths and weaknesses. This is a core aspect of what makes teamplay so important in Overwatch. If you have an Ana on your team, this gives you certain advantages such as being able to be healed from very long range, having a more offensive-favored ultimate, and having the ability to disable healing on enemies (which can be especially vital against heroes that really rely on healing such as Roadhog). That said, she also brings her own weaknesses that must be managed, such as low mobility and lower self-healing. A team may opt to run Brigitte or Lucio with Ana to help peel attackers off of her, for example.

When we want to buff a hero, sometimes it can be the right call reduce these weaknesses. For example, if a weakness is just too overbearing or a hero just has too many weaknesses compared to their strengths. But more often we would rather amplify a heroes strengths and make the hero just better at what they do, which leaves their weaknesses still around for enemies to exploit and for allies to try to manage.

I hope this helps explain how we look at balance issues and heroes in Overwatch in general.

[SidewaysGts-1926]

to make him more dedicated anti barrier.

My only question is

Why would we give this to hanzo as well, on top of everything else he can do?

[Yin-1797]

Hey guys what if we made some changes to hanzo around his storm arrows to make him more dedicated anti barrier.

Suggested change for storm arrows: damage down to 50 from 70, remove ability to head shot. Storm arrows now do 100 damage to barriers.

He may still need some tweaks to other areas of his kit but how would you feel about a change like this

Bad idea.

Barriers are intentionally designed to soak some damage. If Hanzo’s are wasting 10 second cooldowns to shut down barriers, that’s good for you and your team.

How about his primary?

Such as?

I’d love it more if they just left storm arrows alone, but reverted the projectile speed for primary fire. Just as a place to start.

This change would require more specifics, how fast or slow do you want Hanzo’s projectiles to travel?

Currently they travel 100m/s up from 85m/s or a difference of 15 meters per second.

Originally they traveled 60m/s before they were increased back in 2016.

It’s an ability, not an ultimate.

Also you can fire a normal arrow, then instantly fire storm arrows.

Several abilities to more damage with shorter cooldowns and less required aim than Storm Arrows.

Why should an ability be able to kill a ton of players.

Because many abilities already do this? Why must Hanzo’s be different?

What you’re asking for is like giving Junkrat 4 concussion mines on a 10sec cooldown.

8 second cooldown, 2 charges, damage range 60-120 with a 3 meter radius, 12 meter knockback.

And then there’s the 80 damage trap that locks movement for 3 seconds has 100 health and eats healthpacks when damaged.

Probably should mention that it’s a lot easier to apply damage with Concussion Mine and it’s knockback effect that it is to apply damage to Storm Arrow (unless it’s a barrier).

Looks like it’s exactly 2.1 seconds, for 1 normal arrow and 5 storm arrows.

And 1 normal arrow + 3 stormarrows would be 1.5 seconds.

This is nothing new to the game, nor is it unique to Hanzo. That’s why barriers exist.