Still no 3-2-1, eh?

I honestly wish we could just try to do 1-3-2 again.
I feel like tanks would be more fun than they are now. I’m fine with solo tanking if I can at least feel impactful and powerful.
It would lower DPS queue times. That’s just a fact.
The only question is what to do with off-tanks. I don’t think Roadhog, Zarya, and D.va can be main tanks, and I’m skeptical of Wrecking Ball. Cutting the number Tanks in half could have unforeseen effects.
But why not just try it. And actually balance tanks around 3 DPS this time. Please.

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From what I could tell, they absolutely were. I was getting DPS games in under two minutes, right up until the point they took it down. :man_shrugging:

OP, I imagine they’re going to drop it into OW2.

I think that was at the beginning, you have to remember that most people were queueing tank in that mode to try it out and by the end it still wasn’t the longest queue

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No, at the end as well. At the beginning the tank queues were the longest, probably for the reasons you stated, but they started coming down too. The bribe box was for supports pretty much the whole time, probably because the only thing worse than double sniper is triple sniper. This was before the Hanzo projectile nerf IIRC.

Someone at the time did tell me this wasn’t the case on console. I don’t know whether you’re on PC or not.

At the time I was on console so maybe that’s why but even so I’d be weary of deleting an entire role just so DPS might get better queue times (I doubt they would)

No, they definitely would. Going to one Tank doesn’t cut DPS times in 1/2. It cuts them down to 1/4 the time. And that’s not counting 3 DPS. For there to be increased queue times, more than 75% (probably closer to 90%) of tank players would have to leave.
Even if they didn’t rebalance the game when they changed it, I don’t think they would lose that much.

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You’re literally getting rid of more than half the tank players for shorter queue times

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I doubt half the tank players would leave. Not everybody plays one character. And if people are playing more games, they may play tank more often, which softens the blow.

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You’re removing offtank from the game

I mean, you’re right that it’s one hell of a risky move, but they might take it anyway. We’ve had all sorts of tank changes, from double barrier to no barrier, but those queues resolutely stay the same. If they can’t make tanks more appealing then they’re going to be forced to take such drastic action.

Half the tank playerbase does not just play off-tank. They would not all leave. People play multiple characters. And, when you play 150% more games as DPS, you may decide to try Tank for one game.

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I mean every other game has managed with this issue, as far as I know league just ignored it and they’re doing fine, wow from what I’ve heard did something to tanks and people hated it but I’m not in deep in those games

WoW has always struggled with it.

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Offtank is the more popular catagory in tank, if you make them maintanks it removes their enjoyment, if you move them to dps you remove their enjoyment, honestly most maintanks like the synergy with the offtanks I know id hate being a ball orisa two trick as they’re the only heroes you can really play with triple dps

The struggle of 3-2-1 is that the tanks were unable to handle it. It literally just didn’t work. I lost every game I played of that experimental card.

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They are already basically DPS, I don’t see how they would remove their enjoyment. But not all of them would leave. You are saying that over half the tank player base would leave. That’s a lot more than I think you think it is.

And yes, I do like playing an off-tank with a Main Tank. But they would still be what they are now. Big DPS with some defense, like some DPS characters already have. They wouldn’t be gone just moved. And if they were Main tanks they’d probably be like the original 1-3-2, the same tank just tankier.

Also saying there would only be a certain combination of heroes to play would be ignoring balancing. We’ve gone through multiple metas this year alone.

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What even is 3 2 1?
3 tanks 2 dps 1 healer?

Do you really think the tank mains are thrilled to solo tank all the way so the dps can have fun?

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Tank mains are already sacrificed to let DPS have fun. But with one Tank they can be a lot stronger and thus be more fun, especially when balanced around 1-3-2.
Blizzard wants there to be 3/2 tanks, Main tanks are 1, and off tanks are 1/2. But having 2 tanks is better than 3/2, so main tanks became 3/4 to “fix” it. Then they got even worse.
With 1-3-2, we can make Main tanks the entire 3/2.

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What is even the point if they are going to be nerfed down the way anyway?
To be fun they will have to be more powerful than a single dps and blizzard will never let that happen.

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You’re right. They would have to be, and the Overwatch Team would not right now. But that doesn’t mean they can’t be convinced. There’s always a chance it could happen, so I’ll keep trying. :man_shrugging:

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