✅ Some DPS nerfs, I'd like to see

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nothing. that fits into his niche.

bunker heros inherently are supposed to be good at breaking shields to kill the enemy before they reach them.

McCree does it with his fan

junkrat does it with all his fire

hanzo does it with his storm arrow.

hanzo should be able to burn shields fast with his storm arrow. otherwise he would be utterly useless.

take a second to remove yourself form the numbers and your bias and really think about it.

hanzo doesn’t fit into dive. he cant play that comp, so he has to be able to play well in deathball and bunker comps.

deathball and bunker comps play around shields.

to be able to do good shield break he has to sacrifice his storm arrow leaving him much more succeptable to dives and being pushed on.

if he couldn’t break shields quickly

where would hanzo fit in the game?

he cant dive.

making him terrible against shields and taking away his shield break means he cant play against deathball or bunker because he cant break through 1 let alone 2 shields to use him.

youre gonna suggest “JuSt RuN hIm WiTh AnOtHeR sHiElD BrEaKeR”?

meaning you have a must pick in junkrat any time you want to use hanzo?

you think having a must pick in order to run a hero is okay? because it isn’t.

if hanzo doesn’t have shield break he has literally no place in this game where he is usable.

but im sure youll come up with some bs why that’s okay.

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If he’s got the power of a generalist and a specialist at the same time, that’s a fundamental problem.

“His niche” is too broad.

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Why exactly, is it that you can’t pair Hanzo with a Junkrat, Pharah, Roadhog, Bastion, or Reaper?

That Hanzo has to do it all by himself?

(Heck, Soldier and Baptiste have some decent barrier break as well.)

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no he doesn’t.

he has no generalist about him.

mid to long range burst damage hero. that’s not a generalist.

genji is a generalist. decent at long range decent at close range, good defensive ability, good offense, great ult, fits in any comp.

you can play genji in dive, and in bunker, and in deathball.

hanzo only fits deathball and bunker.

he doesn’t dive. he isn’t a “generalist”

your idea that he is a generalist is wrong.

because a hero shouldn’t have a must pick to be usable.

what if we carved out a hole in riens shield at head level making it to where youd need another shield to always be covering his head?

sounds stupid right?

same concept with forcing hanzo to have to have somone else for shield break so he can be usable.

Ive watched you for a long time on these forums from the sidelines, and your hate of hanzo has made you come up with some whacky concepts that just aren’t true.

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I’m not in GM but checking this week’s stats with the new meta unfolding, Widow is not performing stellar in any way.

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Short to long
Low hp to high hp
Players and barriers
Any range
Any target

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adding the extra details of what a mid to long range hero does, doesn’t change that you are wrong?

your point?

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Fair enough on that one, but that feels a lot like “why go Widow when you could Hanzo”.

Probably a wait and see on the Widow part.

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I guess my point is that no amount of evidence would change your opinion.

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Reaper is fine and doesn’t need any nerfs, this character struggled for 10+ seasons. Without lifesteal character is cheeks he still has the same weakness " Range ". DPS that need to be looked at are widow/hanzo/Doomfist all 3 of these are beyond stupid.

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you have no evidence. you have made up this idea that in your mind hanzo is good at everything, he isn’t.

your “evidence” is not anything.

that’s why you ignore the points instead of attemepting to refute them.

if you had a point, you would at the very least attempt to debunk the things I said about him needing shield break, but you don’t. because it would be foolish to do so because to do that youd have to openly admit that you want hanzo to have no place in the game.

you claim “no amount of evidence” while not having give anything but incorrect statements

“hes a generalist with the power of a specialist”

no he isn’t. hes good in deathball and bunker. not dive. hes good at mid to long range, and if hes facing a widow, hes no longer good at long range

“he doesn’t need to be able to burn shields”

cool then tanks don’t need to be able to block damage for themselves right?

your ideas are wrong.

you are the one who wont change your opinion regardless of evidence.

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Okay.
Are you arguing Genji is good at killing barriers, and Genji is good at killing Tanks?

Cause Hanzo sure is.

And yet you say Genji is a generalist, and Hanzo isn’t.

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what? nothing near this level was said.

you are going off into fantasy land trying to defend your hatred of hanzo.

a generalist is a hero who can play in any comp, not a hero that can kill specific targets.

almost every dps in this game can kill every target. if they couldn’t what would be the point of running them?

its the team compositions they fit in that change what they are.

hanzo isn’t a generalist. no matter what way you try and twist words, and bend the truth its not going to change what hanzo is good at.

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Why? Off the top of my head the character this would effect would be roadhog, thats still 500 damage with 2 headshots. Currently the 300 damage makes it possible to 2 shot pig.

just curious of the thought/reason behind this

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Okay, what would you call a hero that’s good at killing any target, at any range?

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  1. Not all sniper shots are fully charged.
  2. It would take 16% longer time to charge up the required damage for a oneshot kill.
  3. Brig could both survive a fully charged Widow shot, but also Brig armor packs could block Widow. And Brig Ult too.
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I agree with everything except this:

Her bodyshots need nerfing more urgently than her headshots. I’d drop her bodyshot max from 120 to 100.

Huge yes to this. This is much better than “no headshots” that people suggest a lot.

Lunge should also be on something like an 8 second cooldown minimum.

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The goal is to nerf her in GM/Pro tier, but leave her largely unchanged in Bronze-to-Platinum.

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I get that its your goal but that’s not the way to do it IMO. Even in high ranks 120 bodyshots are abused.

120 damage projectiles from the likes of Pharah and Sym are much easier to dodge. To be able to do that with hitscan bodyshots is too much.

Worrying about a hero being too weak in low ranks isn’t an issue to me in all honesty. Too strong? Absolutely yes address this. But too weak due to a lack of mechanical skill? That’s something that can be overcome with practice and skill, and not some inherent limitation with the kit.

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Yeah, I don’t know about the crit multiplier change (sounds like overkill), but a increase to her charge up time, i could see that. Same could be applied to Hanzo, increasing his draw time (time it takes to get a arrow, notch it and full pull.