Hog’s usage after his damage nerf proves that they are, but the point stands; If focus fire was all that was needed to counter Tracer, Brig would never have been created.
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And people say Blizzard can’t admit they made a mistake
Are you trying to equivocate a 0.1second stun and a 1 second stun?
Not really. Whip Shot and Repair Pack really are not appreciably stronger than, say, an Ana firing a shot then throwing a nade. That’s really not sufficient to peel.
Shield Bash, and the consequent combo, is the principle engine by which Brigitte peeled. That’s not really a controversial point
And yet every other big stun in the game (Flashbang, Hook, Sleep Dart) either has enough for that hero to have enough solo followup, or can be used as an escape.
Sleep Dart lasts for 5.5 seconds which is enough for Ana to either get some distance or to call a teammate over.
McCree can headshot for 160 total damage (140 + 25) or FtH for more.
Roadhog can do more than enough damage (at most, he can do up to 180 if he shoots and then melees after).
Brigitte’s stun cannot be used as an escape, and she also doesn’t have enough solo followup that the other stuns have.
Yes, all stuns can have team followup, but those stuns can also have big solo followup. All of them except for Brigitte.
Also, this:
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Okay let’s do math 3 swing is 35+35+35 equals 105 than you go into combo which deals 115 damage equals dead squish. Brig swing happen at fast rate. She can still kill squish heroes quickly. How is tanking ability weak? She still has whip shot. You still have to fear shield bash. Shield bash and whip shot are her tank aspects.
A stun that can occur from 20 meters away, pull a player out of position, has a variable stun time depending on the distance, and literally moves the enemy into a position where the entire team can shoot. But they don’t.
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Brig swings at a rate of one per .6 seconds. To swing three times, dealing 105 damage, it is 1.8 seconds. Then, .6 seconds later Brig can shield bash and do her combo (because this is when the animation of the melee finishes). Exactly who is going to be standing in Brig’s range for 2.4 seconds, simply taking damage and doing nothing in return?
And this is why nobody trusts them anymore.
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If you require two people to reliably deal with a single hero, then that hero is too strong.
That’s literally the exact argument people parroted about Brigitte for months whenever someone brought up team shooting. Why, pray tell, is it okay to use this argument in favor of Tracer, but not Brigitte?
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How is that not sufficient whip shot literally would stop Winston jump and his shield effectively peeling for a team? Repair pack makes any dive hero infinitely worse which allows backline to follow up. How is that not strong defense?. Shield bash can still peel for a team.
It almost like you might need a DPS on your team to shoot the person.
I think that is the point
And how well did that work before Brigitte? For Roadhog when he needed follow up on his stun?
The fact is that teams tend to ignore their supports, just on accident. Few DPS players are going to be guarding the supports.
The only instance where it makes sense to require more than one person to deal with them are tanks because of their health pool.
And whaddaya know, Brigitte’s part tank! You need to treat her like a mini-Reinhardt. Respect the space she creates, but if you can intrude on that territory with a buddy and focus her down, you’re good.
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Come on dude.
We’re here because we are all individually trying to change their minds. That’s not a bad thing.
And trying to act like every opinion they give is some written scripture, then freaking out later, just makes the devs communicate their plans less.
However most humans will either admit they were wrong or try to justify the difference in actions.
Blizzard just hopes we ignore it and don’t call them out on it. They’re the ones who created the stigma of them “never being wrong” after all the whole Mercy situation was a success, same with Ironclad bastion and the Sombra changes.
Because they communicate less, we act like everything they say is what they mean. FOr the reccord, it wasn’t an opinion, it was their intent. Their intent changed over the course of 4 months.
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Roadhog is DPS/Tank Hybrid
Brig is Support/Tank Hybrid
To be fair, I trust them less because they “change their minds” and more that they blatantly lie about certain aspects of the game, namely the report system. When you have the head of balance telling people to defense matrix tires or that console Widowmaker is just as effective as PC Widowmaker, it is a bit difficult to trust their competence when situations such as this arise.
Because being booped doesn’t kill you (usually, unless you’re standing by a ledge). It’s an annoyance. This is why, for example, Hammond is a less effective peeler than DVa: Hammond annoys you, DVa kills you.
Also healing is generally a terrible motivator for peeling because it doesn’t actually generate threat. Correct, it can stop dives/turn plays, but people tend to not respond to things that aren’t threatening. Otherwise, you could just peel with Lucio all the time–but generally, you peel with tanks because they can take a beating and dish it back out.