To the anti 2/2/2 crowd continually making this particular argument, playing tank or support wasn’t the problem, playing solo tank or solo support while trying to herd 4-5 dps wanting to do their own thing was the problem.
I’m not blaming dps, play what you want to play, but making the argument that no one wants to play tanks or support hero’s so 2/2/2 is bad for “forcing” people to is ridiculous. I and many others actually enjoy playing tank or support just doing it solo and again trying to get 4-5 other strangers playing dps and doing their own thing to cooperate and work with you was not enjoyable.
Dislike 2/2/2 all you want and have your reasons for it but don’t be ridiculous with those reasons.
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Yes… We get it, role lock literally only solved solo tanking and supporting. Other than that, it added role based SR. That is why most of us are against it. Those minimal benefits ain’t worth the consequences.
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It also solved the fillers not getting to play DPS without putting their team comp in the pooper.
The fillers can now play what they like which is nice, seriously, that is the thing I most like out of it.
RoleSR is also good.
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From a lot of post I’ve seen, many don’t seem to “get it” again have your opinions but I’m not here to discuss all the pros and cons of 2/2/2 just stating the fallacy of that particular opinion
That was not a problem though. However, I will admit this system as emboldened them.
Well, it was a problem, at least as much as DPS don’t want to play Tank / Support is a problem.
If playing in a team without proper support / tanks is something you don’t want to do enough that it limits your hero selection - and DPS don’t like Tanking / Supporting enough that it limits their hero selection…
I think it is a wash there.
I do not disagree. Both are predominately nonissues.
If the DPS not wanting to Tank / Support is a non issue, then why are people so upset at Queue times?
And if that isn’t the issue - what is the issue?
Is there an issue?
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The queue times are the issue. Not that we do not want to play tank and support. Who cares about that? I wish Blizzard did and tried to address it. But I believe I speak for us all when I say the more pressing concern is that nasty wait time.
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Not that we do not want to play tank and support?
If you wanted to play tank / support, then queue times wouldn’t be an issue.
as a person, you would just pick tank or support if the queue got too long.
as a group, if you were all ok tanking or supporting, we wouldn’t have DPS queue times.
You can’t say one is not a problem and the other is.
it is like saying, I don’t think that lack of o2 is an issue, but I really don’t like people being unable to breath.
I mean, outside of things like 7s, and the like, we don’t have an answer with the current amounts of DPS who won’t tank / support.
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I don’t get why DPS don’t just play tank. Tanks (except Rein) are just super beefy DPS that can faceroll most DPS.
Yes you can. We want to play DPS and not wait a year… Like before. There is literally no way we can do that. A fill player could have played DPS whenever they wanted. Huge difference.
The point is that the feelings on the matter do not matter. The actual problem matters.
Then play tank / support - IF DPS not wanting to not play tank / support isn’t an issue, then saying, hey, play tank / support is a PERFECTLY viable solution.
They could, but they don’t want to.
Fillers COULD have forced themselves on everyone else as DPS, but they didn’t want to either.
We are swapping desires which caused problems for one group for desires causing problems for another group.
But we also get roleSR out of it.
We can’t say that the desires are not part of the problem but, to ignore the problems the fillers faced, and only focus on the DPS is pretty rotten.
Especially when it is the SAME problem.
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I am not sure how you do not understand the crux… We want to play DPS. Picking tank or support does not solve that problem.
I am just saying that the fact that they do not want to play tank is not material. Nobody cares as evidenced by 90 plus percent of the people posting here. But at the end of the day, those queues are still a problem, fam.
And longer queue times. Again, the desire of a fill player never obstructed their experience.
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HELL yeah it did. The point about them filling ,was that they WANTED to DPS, but filled other roles because someones gotta tank / support.
The ones who didn’t want to DPS are NOT the ones filling the DPS queue now.
And that is their prerogative. Sadly I can no longer conduct my bidness the way I desire as a mechanic is in my way instead of my emotions.
It totally is your desires, just like theirs. You could be tanking or supporting, just like they were.
IF it wasn’t a desire / emotional thing, you would look at the queue lengths and pick tank / support.
You want to DPS. you don’t want to tank / support, you REALLY don’t want to wait for DPS queue.
They really didn’t want to let their team down, and they really didn’t want an unreasonable comp.
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I could, but that defeats the purpose. We both want DPS in the old system, we both click it, we both get it. Now I have to wait excessively long. Therein lies the problem. Under the old system, it was fair game. Now there is a priority list. That is annoying.
no because others has picked DPS. now what? or others PICK dps after them. now what?
Now you stay on DPS and have fun.