So much of twitch viewership is just about twitch celebrities. Even by this ridiculous measurement, Overwatch can still pull third when Blizzard wants it to do so.
And what does it say about a game when its biggest celebrities all stop playing it?
People like Dr.Disrespect and Shroud still stream PubG primarily, but OW has lost almost all of its big name streamers
That this game isn’t to those particular people’s tastes. Or that some new genre of game is a bigger fad.
It says the biggest celebrities stopped playing it, not much more or less. You gotta remember that twitch is basically public access TV without editing - it exists as a personality driven system that lives or dies on the basis of popularity alone.
A lot of times streamers will say they got bored of this or that game, or gave up on it because of this or that - but that isn’t why they’re switching. They would stay forever and suffer if it kept pulling money. The reason they switched games is because the grass is greener - battle royale games are suddenly popular, and with a free to play game just released its an easy wave to ride.
I don’t blame them at all, but saying “streamers left the game is dying” is like saying “IHOP changed its name to IHOB, pancakes are dying”. You can’t make money doing the same thing at the same level forever - your viewers get bored.
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Although it seems to me that if someone’s favourite streamer is not playing the game anymore it would make them less likely to play the game again.
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We’re just somewhere in the middle of 2 extremes.
The game is not dead.
The game is not healthy and growing (something Blizzard absolutely NEEDS if the OWL were to be anything but a flash in the pan).
I agree, it doesn’t help anyone to think the game is dead, and it doesn’t help anyone to deny that it’s in severe decline.
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Gotta be careful when using the word “fad”.
I know it’s fashionable to be hateful or dismissive towards the BR genre at the moment, due to its overwhelming popularity, but if we step outside the Overwatch bubble for a moment, you’d realize that people have been saying the same thing about Hero Shooters for the past few years.
Now the bubble for the Hero Shooter “fad” has burst. We had our glorious 2 years where everyone tried to get in on the rush. To be the next Overwatch. Now everyone who isn’t us or Paladins is dead. Games closed, or aborted during development.
Such is life.
Maybe BR will last a bit longer as a genre. Maybe it’ll last shorter. We don’t know.
I mean that is the definition of a fad what you described. That is what I meant by the usage. It’s not hate, it’s just comes from decades of playing and watching many different genres ebb and flow. I hope for sake of the BR players it lasts longer than hero shooters, but it will eventually also be jettisoned for the next cool thing no matter how well run the most popular one is.
Hopefully for them when that time comes, the loyal players will be large enough to sustain it.
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I hope the BR genre dies of over-saturation very quickly and people come back to OW and Blizz gets it all back on track.
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Right, I wasn’t specifically talking about your usage. I just make a habit of cautioning everyone when I see people calling BR a fad. Because some people really do think trends in gaming operate like “well when BR dies, Hero Shooters will come right back” and no… that’s not how it works.
Yeah… that’s not how it works.
When LoL killed off Starcraft (both 1 and 2), RTS went back to a niche genre.
Now MOBA as a genre is for all intents and purposes dead. Any MOBA that isn’t LoL, DotA2 or Smite is literally dead; I would know - I play a few of them - we’re talking new MOBA titles with sub-1k playerbases. Oh and HotS, but that’s just because it has the Blizzard name/marketing/money behind it.
Yet RTS didn’t return to fashion. Starcraft 2 is still niche; it’s esports scene a skeleton compared to before.
That’s how the gaming world works.
Even if BR as a genre dies due to over-saturation come 2019 (and it very well might; every major studio is making a BR game; every major shooter franchise is including BR in their next title), the people won’t miraculously return to Hero Shooters.
I watched E3, and there are SO MANY amazing MP games and/or shooters coming up later this year and next year. Anthem, Rage 2, Division 2 (cautiously optimistic), that new Metro game, even Skulls & Bones…
The competition will be stiff, and OW as a game CANNOT expect players to just for some odd reason return to it – because maybe BR will die out.
We cannot remain complacent. The age of “OW is THE game just BECAUSE” is over. Now, to stay relevant, we need to fight tooth and nail to prove we’re a game/playerbase worthy of people’s attention.
Because the game hurt their feelings so they want to have some sort of vindication
I have no interest in Overwatch becoming “THE” game again. It’s not going to; gaming doesn’t really work like that. But it’s also not going to “die” and the ship isn’t going to “sink”-- I’m not trying to deny that the playerbase has decreased, but it’s incredibly stupid to think that the game is going to die in any near future.
It’s just going to stabilize at a smaller playerbase, continue to put out patches and updates so that the committed playerbase continues to pay for the game, and it’ll just be what TF2 was for some-odd 10 years.
( Also, no, the definition of a “dead game” isn’t something ridiculous like “emotionally dead.” That is not what the industry calls a dead game. That is not what anyone calls a dead game. Referring to a game as “dead” and then saying that you meant “emotionally dead” is backpedaling nonsense. You’re just using a buzzword. Cut it out. )
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First legion had a huge sucess after wod (worst expac). Yeah It lost succes but so does the whole mmorps genre.
You took the words right out of my mouth :\
Been playing Overwatch since day one. My queue times are no longer than they have been since day one. The idea OW is dead is insane.
Also, dead means nobody is playing. If you want to get technical, as long as it has 100 players it’s not dead ![:wink:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=5" ":wink:")
If anything, I’d say the game is just coming back down to reality in regards to numbers after 2 years of an insanely high playerbase. Those numbers were always unrealistic to maintain.
Even if OW had a quarter of their numbers from the first year the game wouldn’t be close to dead.
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I’m sick of these *the Game Dies" Posts, So I bring up the World of Warcraft argument. Since 10 years ppl say its Dead, PURE DEAD and will never be played again. (just because they had more players at launch, which is comon sense)
There are still millions of players after 10 years of (hahaha Dying?)
So get out of here, or post something usefull, instead of just saying, oh It’s not the same than before? ITS DEAD!!!
but you guys know that Bowling is dead? I never saw anybody go bowling the last 10 years (ofc I was never in a Bowling Club or anything, But as I never saw anybody asking me to go bowling, this game is DEAD!) and you can’t deny it, just accept it. Everything is Dying. Just accept the facts. and don’t tell others, to believe in you.
(I wish blizzard would bann people saying the game is dead, it’s only negative, and brings nothing to the communit. (maybe just less fun on the game, as people say it dies.)
Perma bann for those “non-supportive-Players-of-the-game”
And Rewards for those, actually supporting the game.
(I don’t need rewards, I get game updates and patches from Blizzard, thats all I need to be happy)
btw Thanks @Blizzard for the game, I love it.
why do you need to prove how petty you are to make this topic?
the last expac peaked at 17 mill subs and a new AAA expac drops in august. wow is doing fine.
I dunno homie, I personally thunked that “dead” means that the homie ain’t alive no more. Little homies be using the term “dead” for everything that is slightly less popular than it was beefore, so ya boii got a feel that it’s gettin’ overused. This game still be bumpin, it ain’t dead XD
It’s important for devs to know why people are no longer enjoying their game. I don’t see anything fundamentally wrong with posting on forums why.
Just think as to why big companies are always asking you to take customer satisfaction surveys.