There is pretty much no reason to pick Dva right now when there is a tank with
a) a shield that pretty much works like DM except it’s better cause it stops beams
b) a literal version of DM that adds health
c) better ranged damage
d) a stun that leads to kills and can cancel ultimates
e) stronger ultimate that charges at about the same rate
I strongly suspect that Dva won’t be viable for a while now.
Also there’s the other thing…
there’s differences between them though.
for example sigma has lower health and 100 of it is shield which can get emp’d away.
d.va can fly in any direction she wants and boop people with her mech.
higher dps than sigma, has more uptime on her matrix and a lot easier time to catch abilities with it than kinetic grasp.
her ultimate actually do a ton of damage and kills most characters from full hp.
honestly the one she’s competing with might be wreckingball.
Sigma’s succ does not stop beams…
That’s even worse because Wrecking Ball is the King of his unique niche. Dva can’t compete with that.
Sigma’s SHIELD is what he uses to compete with DM, because it’s flexible and deployable anywhere at a moment’s notice, like DM. Also his overall damage stats are way better than Dva’s because she has to be literally in front of someone to actually do any real amount of damage.
Read it again. (The Post).
Sigma cannot contest high ground, however. He can only block it off.
The thing is, damage is so high that even though D.VA has this, on paper, extremely useful for of utility in boosters mobility, she gets demeched too swiftly. She has no way to mitigate her own damage taken since DM is constantly reserved for blocking powerful abilities and ultimates used on other members of her team.
I’d say give her back her 400a/200h ratio back.
It was busted in the past, but damage is so much higher.
DM length being nerfed is also pretty awful
i think the mobility difference is what sets d.va and sigma so far apart that they aren’t really competing in the same way.
sure kinetic grasp can eat an ultimate but it’s extremely unlikely and that’s actually where the similarities end between them.
and since d.va is really winstons old dive partner i think wreckingball taking her place is far more likely, however wreckinball can’t protect another tank and can’t eat abilities or unlimited projectiles in a time frame like d.va can.
but also d.va might be the reason why we aren’t seeing a resurgence in dive.
she was extremely important back then.
SIGMA IS STILL BETTER THAN DVA
Yes and that is okay. Dva was meta for 2 years, so please let other tanks have there time.
What’s the problem?? Let her be low tier, DM is aids and the game is much healthier without it. 76/mccree had no ults because of DM. delete DM as a whole and give her something else and buff her in other areas, this game does NOT NEED DM TO BE A THING A AGAIN. Thx you blizzard for gutting it only smart decision they’ve made when it comes to balance. Such a scrub friendly tool.
is it?
i basically agree with all of your points, but i kinda wanna nitpick this part a little, just because i’ve been questioning this, myself, and wondered if it isn’t just because people are just… better
now, i can’t remember when every change took effect, so don’t go yelling at me, but, for discussions sake
like, honestly, 50% discord and mercy damage boost made the game s.c.a.r.y.
zarya’s beam damage got chunked by like 20/s, too, which is obviously a huge boon to d.va and her DM being her only defense, aside from mobility
i don’t believe reaper’s damage has been changed at all, just his spread, which is mostly a small hitbox thing
even Widowmaker’s bodyshot damage got reduced, if you’re trying to hide your critbox from her, so, that’s actually less, but again, i don’t remember patch dates, so i can’t remember when she had her armor nerf vs when this widowmaker change happened
i mean, again, i still basically agree with most of what you said, but sometimes i question how much damage was actually “added”
we basically actually lost overall damage, since most offense heroes are were the big dicc dps comes from, and you can only have 2 of those, now
the only things i can think of that actually added “more damage” are McCree’s falloff buff, Baptiste’s addition, and Symmetra’s buff (inb4 2.0/3.0 rant, but 120 to 180 is a “buff” to total output, thus discussion)
so, has damage actually gotten… “higher”?
or are people just… better at… playing the game
not trying to be rude, but, actual question, because i can’t think of it at the moment, maybe i’m just tired and can’t think this through well enough, so again, pls no yell at me
They both have seperate strengths and weaknesses integrated into their kits. D.Va being more mobile and has a better DM uptime/range. While Sigma is more stationary and has a barrier to maintain.
D.Va can still use her missiles while using DM while Sigma has to cancel his grasp to go into a accreation (Which has a windup time and can inflict self harm)
Sigma’s ultimate takes longer to charge compared to D.Va which at that point a support ult on the enemy team should be ready to answer it.
The only real thing that’s against D.Va is she can get staggered real hard (arguable near Roadhog levels) so that greatly affects her effectiveness. As she has to remech to get back to building ult charge for self destruct.
I mean, if you’re just plopping Dva behind another barrier than of course she is gonna be worse than Sigma. Sigma has his own barrier AND has a DM for when the situation calls for it. What Sigma cannot do is go off and contest people on high grounds, chase targets down, reposition, or dive easily.
The problem is that Dva is not good against what is being played most often these days. Sigma just straight up dunks on her with accretion and all her damage can be blocked by him. Orisa doesn’t really care dive, and outside of eating halts, she doesn’t get much value vs her. Most people are still playing 2 shield tanks whether Rein/Orisa or Sig/Orisa so he ult isn’t getting as much done. Couple that with sustain abilities like immortality field, Mei Wall, and Wraith form and the ult charge nerf which keeps her in fights less then the ult is getting way less value. Rein is better off run with a Zarya if you’re gonna go the off tank route which is also troublesome for her. Lots of the played Dps are also issue for her. Mei gets free freezes off on Dva, Doomfist ignores DM completely, Reaper can be dealt with but with his life steal you basically have 2 secs until you’re a walking health pack. And while she can somewhat contest snipers, she cannot dive into them if they are running a bunch of the characters I already mentioned.
Which is effectively much better as he doesn’t feed ult charge doing it, for the same result.
Not how balance works.
Again, not how balance works.
As for “aids” stuff in this game, we can talk about Double Barrier, Doomfist, Mei, Reaper, Roadhog, Hanzo which are all very good at the moment but are much less of a problem to you. If we go by what is “aids” to anyone, nothing will ever be viable.
McCree could ignore DM ever since it was reduced to 2s. And 76 is much much much more affected by any barrier.
It does in fact. It is necessary to counter abilities that aren’t blocked by barriers.
Straight from ScrubQuotes.
DM is harder to use than most defensive abilities.
I think D.Va might be sleeper. I’ve been winning games with her, and her DM has a higher up-time than Orisa barrier.
Wait, is Sigma not allowed to be better than Dva?
You’re comparing a barrier with DM.
Of course does it has weaknesses barriers doesn’t has, but it also has strengths barriers doesn’t has.
Which also has a longer cooldown and only a 3m range.
Wait, doesn’t Dva has rockets that can fly a longer distance? 
True, but I think this is a fair tradeoff for not having mobility.
This is debatable.
His ultimate is strong yes, but you shouldn’t underestimate Dva’s ultimate:
Dva needs help, I don’t deny that, but her ultimate is the last thing in the game that needs adjustments imo.
I thought it’d be interesting if D.va used her DM to exhaustion that it converts what was absorbed into a front facing barrier.
Then I figure it’d look kinda goofy though, because it’d be a pretty useless barrier if it could absorb a shatter (meaning it’d need to be as tall as the mech).
I think D.va is being tuned into a Sigma counter slowly, the .5 second reduction in her delay puts Defense Matrix on the same timing as Hyperspheres right now. If they nerf Accretion vs Defense Matrix, Deflect and Kinetic Grasp I think she could slowly crawl back into the meta along with Dive.
Pound for pound Sigma is the better tank, but given D.va has mobility he kind of has to be.
Yes that’s how it works. If you believe in fairy land where all heroes have equal pick rate, sure. But most sane people know meta will always exist and dva had her time.
No one demands equal pickrate, but demanding equal balance is fair. Saying D.Va shouldn’t be viable because “she had her time” isn’t how it works.
I want D.Va viable. Right now she isn’t. I want to be able to play her without feeling like I’ll get banned for feeding.
You are not getting banned for playing a hero. At best,f you play off-meta, you will be -200 to 400 sr lower, as compared to playing meta. D.va is off-meta. If she is viable, she is meta.
what.
shields and DM are different abilities entirely.