Seeing people shill this hard is actually embarrassing

You greatly underestimate how much Blizzard fanboys hate poor people, and by poor people I mean people who just want to be smart with their money and actually want to have fun with a video game while feeling satisfied that they got their money’s worth and value their time.

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I went through the TOS. The only argument I could see is that the TOS states that it supersedes any prior oral or written agreements. That said, Jeff was acting, in his capacity, as a representative of the company and it wasn’t a prior agreement, but stated after the fact. I was interested in looking for the case law, but I just don’t have it in me, since I have no intent of actually pursuing a class action lawsuit.

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You have better chances at creating a galactic empire than making Activision Blizzard backtrack on the battlepass system to put it bluntly. This fight was already lost when Fortnite became successful with its Battlepass.

Also you seem to misunderstand, the battlepass is just as much a forced interaction as leveling up in OW1 is.
Literally the only difference between a free battlepass and the leveling system in OW1 is, that your levels get reset in every season and its called battle pass level instead of player level.
Both gives u rewards wether you want it or not and it is the natural progression of your account.
Basicly you were “forced” to engage with lootboxes as well since you got one with every level and if you wanted any kind of loot, you had to open it.

Im pretty confident when i say this, it will be harder to avoid unlocking the new hero on your main account than it is getting it if you continue playing the game as you would even without the battlepass being an incentive.
You can be stubborn and actively try getting the least amount of xp possible or not playing on 6 days out of 7 for months, but even then you will eventually unlock the hero next season in a much easier way.

There is a saying in my country, not sure if other countries have this as well, but it basicly translates to: “dont make an elephant out of a flea”. Which means you make this whole locked hero thing appear way worse and bigger than it really is.

IF and i repeat IF the hero unlock takes more than 20 hours to unlock, then you have a case of it being too hard, but if the hero is basicly unlocked with the effort of 9 arcade wins, then what are we even talking about?
At this point in time, we simply dont know if it will take long or not. Pulling the trigger on refunds because of it is just dumb.
Do i agree with the hero locks behind battlepass? No. But i dont agree with a lot of things in the game even as we speak, yet i engage with it if i deem it necessary to reach my goals.
In comparison, im more upset over League token legendary skins than i am with locked heroes, because at least with locked heroes i have to engage with the game itself and not “watch” a youtube stream to grind a currency.

Why are you banging on about monetary gain? I already said ages ago it doesn’t have to be monetary.

Many of us are just fine with the new direction and have no affiliation with blizzard nor do we get anything extra by saying so.

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I guess its a good thing we have you to show us the way :roll_eyes:

Thank the general consumer positively responding to F2P monetization schemes. Ya’ll only have yourselves to blame ultimately. The problem is, it is normal now and will be so for quite some time. You only get three options:

  • Box release with paltry DLCs “for free”

  • Subscription model

  • F2P zero-cost-entry model with in-game monetization

Pick your poison.

Fox girl battle pass lock when we didn’t test her, sure she is gonna be full of bugs like DoomFist release lmao.

This you? As I stated, your interest in the game’s success is where your gain is found.

“a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty”

Loyalty, to the company. Self-interest, in the game’s success. We’re specifically talking about what constitutes a shill. I’m pretty sure those two are enough to constitute shilling.

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I’m not misunderstanding anything. A lock is a lock. Regardless of how it’s locked, it’s not in line with what was originally offered and promised as part of Overwatch (a game where “every hero, map, and mode will be available upon release to all players”), therefore, it is no longer the same game. I was perfectly fine with the battle pass, and as stated, even purchased the pack, right until it became a forced interaction in order to obtain the full game. I don’t care if I had to log on for 1 minute between x date and x date to unlock the character. It shouldn’t be locked or it changes the game. And as I stated before, it potentially creates an issue where, in a competitive rock-paper-scissors game, someone can end up with no rock to counter someone playing scissors. It goes against the spirit and design of overwatch and fundamentally changes the game.

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I have no reason to be blindly loyal. I just enjoy the game and I want to see it grow and succeed. The proposed model would do just that.

So you don’t want to see the game succeed? I don’t gain anything more than anyone else does from these changes.

Something else particular to be a shill is being disingenuous about their stance on the topic. I Genuinely have no issues with what we’ve seen so far. If I didn’t like it I would say so.

From what we’ve seen this will never happen. You have to unlock Kiriko before you can play competitive.

The EA customers, FIFA, assassin’s Creed, football manager players .

Which I find strange as the more is revealed the more people should be outraged, yet the shills can’t help themselves.

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I hadn’t looked at your post history until just now. I wouldn’t necessarily consider you one of those “shills” people are talking about. This back and forth started because I pointed out that a shill doesn’t necessarily have to be paid and that defending bad practices could be reason enough to assume one is shilling for the company. I may have implied that you were, only because I thought you might be, based on what I saw as your defense of those same people. I apologize for jumping the gun, but that was what I assumed.

The people I would consider “shills” are people who just go from post to post trashing people with legitimate issues with the game and/or company. They are easily spotted and there are a handful that have been posting for at least a couple/few days now (and much further back). The “Blizzard can do no wrong, everything they do is holy” crowd is out in full force.

If that leak is right, but we don’t know if it is.

I hear you.

My main point is that you can like the BP changes and not be a shill and at the same time you can dislike the changes and not be a radical hater.

Yeah I know. It seems logical and ties in well. Only time will tell.

The only real change I would make is rather than not having comp for the 2 weeks, I would have comp OFFSET by two weeks.

So when the new battle pass drops, you still have 2 weeks of last season to go, where you can’t use the new hero yet.

That way we don’t lose around 20% of our comp time. 2 weeks out of every 9-11 lost is a bit much eh?

That would be cool but it kind of defeats the purpose of giving people time to unlock the new hero before comp starts and I reckon those 2 weeks will be used to gauge the power level of the new hero and at least do 1 balance patch for the comp season goes live.

It will be kind of chaotic releasing a new hero just 2 weeks before the season ends. Pro’s and con’s I guess.

But it DOES. You get two weeks so that when comp happens with the new hero, you can already have it ready to go.

Comp will almost certainly add XP to the battle pass.

Not for comp though.

My understanding is that if you have the paid BP then you instantly get access to the new hero. If you get the paid BP 2 weeks before the season ends and the next season starts then you will be able to play the new hero at the end of the current season.

From my understanding the idea would be to make sure no one can play newly released heroes immediately in comp.