try over 1 hour wait time. Only to have a player on the team that loses the first fight leave the game so his friend doesn’t lose SR.
i’ve played this game as much as i’ve always have this Beta Season. I’d call myself fortunate if i even played half the games i usually do.
except for the majority of the games i’ve played where someone is clearly underperforming in said role because they’ve never played it before. One where both the player in that role and someone in another would have no problem swapping with each other but they simply can’t do that now. Resulting in everyone getting frustrated.
2 dps players specialised in projectile and/or close range heroes go up against a pharah. 1 of those dps players can also play a good tank.
1 of our tanks is good at both tanking and hitscans.
these 2 players can’t swap with each other.
Great! Except “hey you’re not doing too great on dps can you swap with me”, even if it’s said in a toxic way, IS STILL BETTER THAN “Hey you’re not doing great on DPS but we can’t do anything about it so i’m just going to keep pointing it out!”
There hasn’t been a single game that i’ve won this season where I’d see us lose because we didn’t force 2-2-2.
There have been A LOT of frustrating moments and losses because nobody on my team could switch out of forced 2-2-2.
I’ve never been “great” at aim or mechanical skill. Still consistently reaching top 500 in every role i played. Why? by switching to things that can work around mechanically better players. Finding things they can’t deal with, even if that is 4-5 dps.
But this season, more than ever it’s simply been “can the majority of my team outperform the same role on the other team mechanically?”
Sometimes you get the mirror matchup, and it depends on which team has the better player on that.
Sometimes you get the direct counter matchup, where 1 person almost wins to their “direct opponent” by default.
And thanks to this system, it’s a lot harder to work around those 2 scenarios.
i’ve uninstalled, this isn’t the game i bought. 2000+ hours, every golden gun and plenty of top 500 finishes. Won’t be coming back till this is out of the game.
For those that do like it, good. Have fun.
Alright I’m done. Been a constant top 500 flex player since the game launched. Been playing less and less competitive since the metas are getting worse and worse. So I’ve been playing some quick play to get over my itch of gaming.
I usually pick who I play according to the map and team comp. And instead of leaving the game whenever someone struggles, I switch over to that role and try to win anyway. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
I don’t wanna deal with long queues whenever I just wanna play some games. I don’t wanna wait forever only to have a QP game last 2 minutes. I don’t wanna be resigned to a loss with underperforming players on my team, with my options being leaving or waiting the game out.
Forcing 2-2-2 in comp was already something I was against. This protects one tricks, forces people to further play around them and kills a player’s ability to play around enemy team comps and being able to flex. I can imagine getting underperforming players and being resigned to a defeat, without any other way of playing around it. For the “old” quick play mode being in arcade, it’s not the same. Arcade queues are long with very unbalanced games.
So I guess that’s it for me, I’ll be enjoying the games before this QP 2-2-2 is forced and then I will be uninstalling. I guess sometimes you grow out of games and sometimes the game makes the decision for you.
I have to wonder, Overwatch was around 40 million copies sold. Give or take.
What’s the weekly login average? Better yet would be an SR/MMR for the people logging in.
I’m lucky to get in 2 matches in an hour, that’s about 15-30 minuets of play time. The rest is watching YouTube hoping I don’t miss the match start. Not that it really matters when they go like they do now.
I mean seriously you get things like two entire teams in a hallway barely larger than an Orissa and your lucky if either team gets a single kill or pops both shield barriers. GOATS was way more fun to try or watch than watching Symetra’s try to microwave shields.
To be honest I hated QP since they made it behave like Comp with hero’s locked after pick.
If they wanted a casual version of Comp that should have been a different mode under arcade. When I get told a game has QP it usually means it’s just trying to get you a match of any kind for the shortest wait. You can sometimes filter acceptable modes but it’s shortest wait to enter.
Honestly, the community as a whole should be better human beings and not throw games regardless of whether they think their performance counts or not. Even if it didn’t, they are ruining the experience of others who actually try regardless.
Blizzard does not intend for people to be toxic. I mean, they can do their best to encourage people not to be that way. But unfortunately people who think they can get away with stuff do crappy things.
MMR is an internal metric they use to place people. It is not visible to the user. And Blizzard has already stated that the initial placements, while base on the MMR calculation, would be loose and rapidly adjust after placements if the initial placement is off.
Even if you argued “MMR is a stat Blizzard! You are not clear!” – When have you known Blizzard to ever do an MMR reset or throw data at. It has never happened. You can quote the dictionary all you want – doesn’t change anything.
The beta placements were based on general queue. The beta games will make those numbers more accurate. If you threw, it will rapidly adjust.
I tend to focus on Blizzard’s track record and what they have done time and time again. What they say can either be misinterpreted by the community, a staff member can get something wrong, or they will straight up change their minds (which usually still falls in line with what they usually do).
I mean… Jeff Kaplan said Sigma didn’t eat Zarya’s grav on stream. He was wrong. Are we going to beat him over the head with that? He’s human. He’s wrong sometimes.
Moral of the story… just assume everything counts. Blizzard never throws data out. And don’t throw games. If someone is throwing, report them. It’s not Blizzards fault someone is throwing, it’s the thrower’s fault.
Great post, only one thing: Judging by the queue times for DPS now, Top 500 has a lot more DPS players than Tanks and Supports, yet when you watched any stream you almost always had a balanced teamcomp, which often meant enough Tanks and Supports. The only way that could work, as far as I know, is if a lot of DPS players flexed to Tank and Support. So, in the old system, people probably faced Tanks and Supports a lot, that don’t main them. Someone who does on that level though, is still likely to be better. In the old system it was enough to play tank that way, I’m pretty sure it won’t any more soon. Not to mention that Top 500s have great gamesense, I think their realisation of when they’re feeding is better than the data Blizzard has, considering my first point and that stats don’t mean much at all in OW anyway, of course I don’t know how exactly the stats look. I’ve also had heavily misplaced players in my own games.
Ranked is a way to try hard, beta or not. Since a few years in EVERY GAME you people think that Ranked is the NORMAL way to play our favorite games and just don’t cared about the other modes, but you simply don’t understand that ranked is a way to push you to the limit and not for training BETA OR NOT.
YOU chosed to play in Ranked and as soon as you decided so, that’s your responsability to play at your best.
(I’m sorry for people who did try hard and ends up with trolls, but that does not change from before the role queue, we had those before, we will have them now too anyway)
I really dont like the “2-2-2 Beta” SR data being used for the new competitive season. I dont know about all of you, but I have been in games that had throwers, leavers, and people trying out for new rolls they dont play. Don’t get me started with Sigma being in this Beta.
The SR gain for wins for at least myself has been 20-23 increase and 30-40 decrease for loss. Unless you get very lucky with good teams that win, you are hosed. BTW I dropped rank on all 3 selections, and before I see “Get Good” dropped, I am a Tank and Support main (my tank hours total over 400 and Support is around 200 total hours so trust me I know what i am doing, and my DPS well I know I suck so for that to drop in rank its deserved.
Anyways with what I have stated it’s not a fair for this BETA date to be used and I think that the Overwatch team should rethink in using that data so it be fair to all players.
Personally I don’t care that they’re talking about using the data because I still played like I always did.
I am still miffed that they called it a beta. Data gathered in true “beta tests” should not be used for anything more than bug corrections. Like a Reinhardt I seen last night that recovered 75% of his health in 2 seconds from a zen (2nd healer was respawning) despite junk (me), a Reinhardt beating on him, and another unknown I just seen tracers hitting him.
^bugs are what beta is for. They abused the naming convention if it’s going to affect the next season.
I know this is a touch off topic and this is mostly for the dev’s (who I expect to miss this) but I don’t know if this season was packed with bugs or if cheaters came out in full force to test or troll the beta. Things like impossible tracking. Impossible health recovery. Knowing where you are through walls without a scout ability. I play on console.
I was in one match where everyone on one team were low level and 1, 2’s for approval rating vs a team with 3, 4’s for approval with 3 or more stars to their lvl. The long term accounts where stoned in the spawn.
This game is soo far from the game we bought that I completely understand why so many are uninstalling the game. This update looks like they are responding to complaints by 2% of the player base and they just PO’d the majority.
Could not agree more.
I was placed as 4.1k on my healer role (which has always been my main role since there were so many “wanna be dps from day 1”), and I gotta say, things are not looking good. DPS at this level is still trash at times. Not because they are mechanically bad or they don’t have enough game sense, but actually because they are too cocky!
If I have ever notice something, is that the higher rank the dps player is in, the cockier he/she gets and try things of questionable nature, to say the least. Leaving the entire team hanging by a thread and blaming the tanks and healers for not helping…
that’s because Blizzard never makes mistakes… remember the mercy moth meta. “we will revert her if this doesn’t work”… it clearly didn’t happen.
More curious is i can see NO OWL players on the boards and Ive been through all four twice… What did they know we didn’t?
Blizzard, hero pick rate too low, mega buff, then mega nerf and then some semblance of balance… Look at Doomfist, Hanzo, Mercy, the new Sym, Zarya, anything in GOATS. Dva is literally useless atm
well it’s coming to Switch, so I guess they hope that brings in a new group of players… Now im off to wait for the destiny 2 expansion (all bungee, no blizzard involvement because they had to sell off to fund OWL and why they use activision, a merchant bank, to finance games, or OWL specifically)
Notice they don’t own pretty much any of their titles outright anymore? This is one reason why and 2-2-2 the “saving grace” has messed up the game more than ever. On the combined boards 3000 is top500, says it all. Meanwhile across accounts im sitting on 4.4 or above in all catagories and refuse to go in again because my mmr is high and Im not into destroying that if I ever choose to play again. Top500 from season 5 and id rank 6 on the combined boards if I had the required games played. I tried but had a plat in a high GM+ game, poor guy… that was the end of that. for support i played 5 placements, wont them all, three others and still ended up gaining 250 sr
oh and for those questioning latency, OCE servers, once you hit 4,2 you have to vpn to another server. OCE doesn’t have the capabilities to play higher than that… if you place or get to 4.2 then vpn to uk or WC America… you can play on 250 ping as long as there is no packet loss to go with it
Well, I gave the role queue beta a fair shake. I was dubious about it but I was willing to give it a try. What resulted was the worst two weeks I’ve ever had in overwatch. Support felt hugely unrewarding and like it was impossible to have any determination in your matches at all. Tank, with the untimely addition of sigma was an absolute mixed bag of toxicity. The only fun I had was exiting team chat and just grinding dps. I’m not a dps player mind you so maybe it was just the novelty of getting to play it once in awhile. Overwatch gives you no tools to help you improve in a meaningful way and amazingly this made it even worse because I’ll see my 17k heals on Bap, know we’re playing bunker and I’ve made a good call based on our comp and that we’re somehow losing to a weird Sigma Hammond comp that we can’t shut down and both teams have a spread of gold to diamond players so who knows who the problem (on either team) is, so it’s just like “guess I’ll die now”.
There’s not even any relief in lfg which is decimated now since the main reason it existed before was to give good quality team comps. I’ll give it one more season, maybe, and that’ll be it for me. Rip 3 years.
