Why was it considered to be a bad thing that Reyes killed Antonio in the Archives event?
Wasn’t it kinda the logical thing to do because they could not just kidnap him there and they knew that he posed a threat to innocents?
Why did Jack blame him? Isn’t this the thing of Blackwatch? To do underhand dirty work for Overwatch?
Overwatch/A policing body isn’t supposed to be making unilateral decisions about someone’s right to live like that. The objective is to arrest and put someone to trial, and in Antonio’s case to get more information about Talon. Antonio was unarmed and not threatening anyone physically.
Unarmed or not. He would have called some guards if he had the chance to , right?
And it is not like they could have kidnapped him there with all the troops everywhere.
Letting him go was like “Please come with us”
“No.”
“:(”
So he shot him.
It appeared that they killed all of his local guards inside the compound. There were some more outside, but this team was Blackwatch- they would probably bind and gag him then get him out quietly- if Reyes hadn’t changed the plan.
The original plan was to kidnap him and question him to find out who was on Talon’s payroll. Reyes screwed that up by killing him, which means Overwatch didn’t get the intel they were trying to get.
They were going to capture and interrogate him, though that in and of itself is a morally questionable method of fighting terrorists, cartels, gangs, etc. They’d already killed his nearby guards. It took Reyes launching him though a window with a shotgun for their stealth to fail. They could have probably slipped away instead of fighting a running battle through Venice. Also, how many f-king Talon operatives were there in Venice!? It’s a wonder there was any civilians left to complain. Frankly I’d have been more concerned about my city apparently being infested with an anational army!
The Venice Incident (and technically, the Quelling of the King’s Row Uprising too) was a textbook violation of sovereignty. The United Nations may have an international approach, but it still requires permission from allied countries for Overwatch to operate and occupy militarily. Though Overwatch had a presence in Italy with the Rome Blackwatch facility, it still has to go through due process in order to apprehend targets. They may be an international police force, but similar to how individual states in the US reserve certain rights and decisions, the world powers that consolidate the UN also possess these protections; Italy was to the UN as Georgia, New York or Wyoming is to the federal government of the United States.
Talon is also not known, directly, to be a corrupt paramilitary syndicate, even in the present day. Their front for most of their chapters seems to be a private security firm- killing the CEO of a business as benign as that doesn’t look good no matter how you slice it.
Reyes made a lapse in judgment, though admittedly a reasonable one, considering the circumstances. Even McCree was originally on board with killing Antonio, most everyone seemed to be fine with it on a personal level. But on a public relations level, the ramifications were obviously going to be widespread- that’s why such anger exists towards Reyes’ breach of protocol,
Drawing too much attention to blackwatch, which is already an unsanctioned part of overwatch. Overwatch was known as a world peace organization. Their killing of omnics during the crisis was before omnics rights and therefore not inhumane. So by Reyes outright killing this guy, who on the surface was just known as a business man it brought unwanted attention to an illegal part of overwatch.
Why do I think Reyes killed him masking it as spite because Gerard while all he was trying to do was prevent Antonio getting into Overwatch’s hands and getting the info out?
What if the Swiss base explosion was Morrison finding out and Reyes trying to take him out?
What info?
That Reyes has gone bad and information about Talon’s bases and operatives.
In short, Reyes insuring himself from being sold out
So like at that point you think he has already betrayed everyone?
That would’ve been fine, but remember, a year later Reyes was back leading the Uprising team. If he was already a baddie at that point, it would have been extremely easy for him to sabotage the mission, which would both severely hurt OW as an organisation and also kill off a bunch of valuable agents.
And don’t quote me on this, but I think Chu said himself that during Uprising Reyes wasn’t yet with Talon. I could look for the tweet, but I’m lazy.
That is the point. Reyes’ stunt had already pulled OW into hot water. He didn’t need to sabotage the operation, he just needed to let it happen, or make it happen, so that OW could keep spiralling into the PR nightmare, because the PM had explicitly said no OW intervention. Morrison’s righteousness did half the job. Reyes has enough authority to keep evidence from falling into the wrong hands.
I’m just theorizing for the sake of it here. Reyes is innocent until proven otherwise XD
I see. I also read the previous posts. I thought the whole point of shooting him was that he has enough influence or money to get free again like a week later.
So I thought Reyes just acted and killed him - hoping that the person who replaces him is not as succsessful as Antonio.
As a note I deleted mine since I was wrong about the arrest part, but he was shot for basically saying that what they were doing will do nothing and he will be free again soon. Made Reyes angry
Omg I have to admit… I made this “in a week” thing up…or remembered it in my subconciousness. I just watched the “cinematic” and he really says “a week”. So yeah.
And I really don’t think Reyes got mad. He looked pensive. I don’t think he exactly enjoyed killing him.
But this is what I meant in my OP. It was kinda the logical thing to do. I mean…anything else like torturing him would have made it worse.
I felt like Reyes got blackmailed by Jack for something he thought of was the right thing to do.
I never understood what is Jack’s problem. Well sure, Overwatch /Blackwatch thingy was revealed and it brought bad news. But on the other side this was a sacrifice to stop Antonio (idk how important he was for Talon).
Moreover, Antionio appeared to be the last survivor (the talon troops all dead). He saw their faces.
McCree is known by Wanted Posters. The future has ppbly better softwares for face scan or whatever. Moira was the world leading genetics scientist.
What if the blackwatch members were not known to the public until this point? I think if Antonio made it out, he would have had something in his hands against Overwatch.
Yes, sure it can be argued that they could have arrested Antonio and then just waited what they do with him. Like “ugh, we cannot keep him any longer, just shoot him in his cell lol”. This sounds wrong… And how would Antonio’s connections even know he was captured by OW? He seemed pretty confident… So it was out of question to capture him I guess.
We know Reyes definitely was. I don’t know what OW told like… the accounts and stuff what his job is, but everyone knew he existed as a person.
I did get the impression that it was premeditated, but it was a moment of anger and longing for vengeance that sealed the decision, specifically when he was at his friend’s bedside after the bombing.
The only problem I see is that they got caught. Because, as we know, Blackwatch was involved with assassinations and kidnappings in the past.
For one, I think it was unlawful to kill him. Also, they wanted to bring him in for questioning and/or a trial. They wanted intel.
I’m not sure. McCree seemed confident that Antonio could have been escorted out without setting off any alarms.
Blackwatch wasn’t meant for doing dirty work. It was meant for carrying out covert operations, which just means operations that are top secret.
Granted, it probably did have a history of dirty work (including killing Antonio) which is part of what led to it, an Overwatch’s downfall.