You can’t have an ultimate that gets completely negated by a single ability without some form of skillful counterplay. Please give her some way to get value with her ultimate when Kiriko exists.
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Agreedge.
Though, with whatever they do when buffing JQ and (hopefully) nerfing Kiriko, we gonna see how it really fares then… s-surely they wont buff Kiriko instead or JQ’s shout back to stupid lvls instead of the rest of the kit r-right?
Most heroes are like that… Not only in term of ultimate but also in term of their normal abilities… The more creative and moba based an ult or even a normal ability is, the more counter play it would have against others but also weaknesses it has.
- Bastion completely melts Winston when Winston ults
- Pharah can be stunned out of her ult
- Rein’s ult not only can be blocked by zuzu as well, but also by a shield.
- Tracer’s ult can be blocked by bubble,immortality,zuzu or pretty much anything that can seperate the target from the bomb
- Zen’s ult is useless when anti naded by ana, an ability with aoe
- Mei’s ult can just get eaten by matrix
and so on and so on…
I would say Junkerqueen actually got it pretty easy in term of counterplay.
Stuns like 50% of the heroes and zuzu specifically is a pretty great condition to be (even though Kiriko is meta…).
Good luck getting any value with McCassidy’s ult or even Symmetra. They aren’t terrible ults but they for sure can be easily countered
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Defense Matrix, shields, Immo Field, stuns exist
You: Imma pretend I didn’t see that
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I don’t like queen’s ult because of how badly it puts you out of position away from your team
I wish it cast a giant moving hitbox that did the same thing while you stood in place
Huh, and I figured Soldier Tactical Visoring when Reinhardt was around was bad strategy…
Here’s a tip: Eliminate Kiriko. Or get her to use Protection Suzu before you ultimate.
Stuns are hard to hit on specific ultimates and can be outranged for others, shields can be broken, immortality field has a 40 second cooldown and eating ultimates with DM requires anticipation.
With Kiriko, she just throws suzu at her teammates and the ultimate loses its entire value.
Also, it’s easier said than done to just “kill her” or “bait the ability out” because tank ultimates like Junker Queen’s are used relatively early in fights. Also, you usually need commanding shout after you use your ultimate if you don’t die. If you use that cooldown on trying to kill the Kiriko, which you definately will, then you have a 50% change of dying when you do use the ultimate.
Not to mention she herself can cleanse herself with teleport then just cleanse her teammates, unlike with Shatter (wich she can also counter) if she gets hit its still easily deniable.
Make her anti-heal that cannot be negated by cleanse abilities with some more dmg included.
Try to use any stunnable ult when Orisa is in the enemy team and watch yourself suffer. Her spear has to be the best “f u” to ults I’ve ever seen. Reaper ult? Speared. Pharah ult? Speared. McCree ult? Speared. Moira ult? Speared. And the list goes on. Gotta say it’s fun when you’re the one doing the spearing, though.
Coal, Death Blossom, High Noon, SoundBarrier (the warmup), Blizzard, Barrage, etc.
Literally every ult that is channeled or has cast delay can be negated by a single none-ult ability
Transcendence…well
Look at what I said before
All that needs to happen is suzu needs to work more like immort:
Let it cancel the damage, but not make it not happen at all. Hitting someone suzud should still lead to selfheals, even if it does zero damage. Suzu should only remove jq’s selfheal if applied AFTER the attack.