Remove Leaver Penalty, Please

Going to have to disagree. People already tell people to leave matches as the game is now, claiming it will make the game easier.

Ppl are already leaving too often even with the punishments.

In your situation if it really happen so often it is betters to stay away from comp if you canā€™t join back in fast enough. You are also running the match for the rest of your team even if you didnā€™t want to.

The current system permits to you to return up 1 minute, the mode is a serious mode not for fun, itā€™s competitive for a reason, itā€™s better to mess with one player experience than 11. So while I know that you donā€™t mean bad stuff for others, my advice avoid comp if you canā€™t control those events. That or you try to use nobreak/bateries solution to keep your connection on, that or a failover solution with some mobile provide.

Donā€™t get me wrong but comp needs to be punitive to folks who donā€™t care about the mode. Also keep in mind that if happens a lot you can get season ban and after 3 season bans you are banned lifetime from comp.

No, it doesnā€™t.

Maybe build your network in a different way. Use 2 Routers, 2 switches and do loadbalancing. Talk to your provider buy a business line and a backup line.
Also buy an UPS (uninterrupted power supply) and use different powerlines for your setup.

No it doesnā€™t? lmao. What??? Yes, yes it does.

Dude, I literally just purchased an UPS.

Thanks for your contribution tho.

Good, so a power outage wonā€™t be a factor anymore.
What do you think of my other points?
Too expensive?
Not worth it?

I think itā€™s too expensive, and probably something the average OW player wouldnā€™t be capable of even doing. Buying something pricy just to avoid getting a harsh penalty seems like a bit much IMO, when the system could be changed to be less cruel.

This thread isnā€™t just about the problem I am having with disconnects/internet outages. Other customers have this issue too, I am sure. This post is about trying to figure out changes that could help out and be more fair for everyone.

I know there will be a lot of different ideas on how the system could be changed, and a lot of people are going to show up to counter those ideas (without even trying to think of a way to improve upon the idea(s)) which is unfortunate. But, I want to at least get people with different ideas on positive improvements posting, so Blizzard might get some fresh ideas, possibly. I know itā€™s a low chance that will happen, but it shouldnā€™t hurt to try to do something good for the game, and itā€™s community.

No, they will not remove leaver penalty because your internet sucks.

If you KNOW youā€™re going to have internet problems, do your teammates a favor and donā€™t play comp.

If you play comp knowing that there is a good chance you will be disconnected, well, you completely deserve whatever punishment you receive.

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Thanks for your original and innovative ideas.

I mean, itā€™s not blizzard fault neither other players fault. Not having an stable power supply and network, itā€™s up to the player. If you read ToS and FaQ about it they explain very well.

Doesnā€™t matter how many ways blizzard tries, itā€™s not great punish 11 players for the sake of one. Thatā€™s why several events like this triggers season bans, instead of fewer triggering it. They do queue wait times because they donā€™t want folks with issues keep playing and ending up being banned without feedback or consideration.

They do their part, itā€™s up to the player find alternatives or solve their problems. Because at end of the day doesnā€™t matter if was accident or not, everybody had a choice and everybody know the risk. Willing to bet on it means sometimes you lose the bet. Games are way of living for some, like a soccer player, football player or e-sports player. Their lives depend of the state of the game.

So while I sympatize, I couldnā€™t consider any of this as their fault. Because in the middle of care-free players using the mode for fun, there are hardworking players trying a way for living. Itā€™s not fair for them for the sake of ā€œfunā€ because the mode the goal itā€™s not fun. Competitive ruleset is play for win not for fun, because several folks didnā€™t cared about the mode, even pros often uses game browser or qp. So itā€™s a real issue affecting real people who does comp for living.

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Iā€™m not claiming my power outages/internet outage is Blizzards fault. I am simply saying that this is an issue for many players, and that the game could be adjusted to be more considerate of this fact.

There are many different ways the system could be changed. I made a few suggestions already on this thread. The thread is for brainstorming new ways to address this, and make the punishment less cruel. If you read the entire thread you might see these suggestions/ideas.

Not everyone has the privilege of multiple internet providers, or living in an area with stable internet. Not everyone have $150 to spend on an UPS when they lose power either. So, saying itā€™s up to the player to find a solution is callous and unfair, we all paid the same for the game.

I am not saying there canā€™t be some form of punishment in place, just that the one currently is a tad too much. Weā€™re talking about competitive OverWatch, not OWL. Nobodies life depends on that, please spare the dramatics. Competitive is a mode for fun. Itā€™s just for more competitive players. And like I said, we all paid for access to it.

Who exactly do you think ā€œdoes competitive mode for a livingā€?

When the problem isnā€™t with the game, but with the player. The issue itā€™s with the player and itā€™s up the player to solve their own issues or deal with it.

Let me tell about a friend of mine who was really bad at the game:

ā€œHe started the game in 2017, was really bad at the game and ended up in bronze. Got motivated and study a lot about the game, at 2019 was on top 500. He got incentives on his city, got chances on local tournaments, got even spot to play on contenders. Until 2020 he needed to change his place of living, because his parents was group risk from covid-19 and he was the only person who could take care about them. So his new place. Has bad internet and really remote place, he knew that he couldnā€™t play comp and donā€™t have any idea when he will switch places again. So each weekend his friends try to do some pratice matches with him on game browser or keep contact with him. He in a match can have up 32 disconnections and they donā€™t mind because they know itā€™s the only way he could play the game and not losing his skills too much. He started to climb as personal goal and his friends helped to him got a way of living from it.ā€

That happens even today, we think that at end of 2022 he could go back to his old city and return his matches. Some folks doesnā€™t realize that even if you donā€™t play OWL you can get some visibility by performing well and having a good ranking. Itā€™s a way of living for some.

You paid for the game, abide by the rules, got rewarded and punished by the same rules.

I saw all posts, I also done my contribution. I even addressed network issues not only power issues. Take your time and check previous posts.

Itā€™s too much? Play a mode that you can be banned for entire season or have lifetime ban itā€™s a joke and needs to be ā€œfairā€ for folks who donā€™t care about the mode? Dude read the FaQ and ToS. You can return the game to prevent 11 folks have a bad game under 1 minute, at least you donā€™t mess with other folks game. The same penalty applies to make you have enough time to go at same match and help your team to win. They could increase the time, but itā€™s already 2 teamfights, more than that would imply even more heavy burden on the team

Sorry but the ā€œdramaticā€ person here isnā€™t me, while I provided a sad story I donā€™t showing victim sympthons because the penalty. At first I was sympathetic with your situation, thatā€™s why I provided constructive options for you, because I know the impact because of my friendā€™s situation. But after your issue was addressed you started to complaint about something that you are not obligated to play comp in the first place, itā€™s a choice like a choice of play comp with network or power issues or even hardware issues. Thatā€™s not blizz issue to solve they donā€™t need to address that kind of issue, all ā€œsuggestionsā€ ended affecting at least one more player for the sake of one problematic. So mess entire experience for one more player or 11 itā€™s egocentric.

This kind of thread itā€™s really common, several posts was done like this in the past. The majority addressed network issues. The problem of a individual canā€™t be great to the point to negatively affect other individual. Thatā€™s why affecting other player or others to solve an inconvenience for one itā€™s a bad way to solve that individual problem. They provide you up 1 minute to rejoin, otherwise they inform you and penalize you to make sure you can try to address your problem(for all scenarios) if you donā€™t get the game within the minute margin.
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/31268

Oh man, a book.

You seem to be missing my point entirely. Iā€™m not telling Blizzard to solve my disconnect issues. Disconnect issues though can happen to any player at any time. This becomes a problem when Blizzard has such cruel and unusual penalties in place for disconnecting. I donā€™t know of any other game with such harsh penalties.

With your logic, nobody should ever play comp again if they disconnect, because it could happen again. ANYONE can disconnect.

Itā€™s really not for the majority of competitive players.

I get youā€™re really against change, even if itā€™s for the better for some reason. Iā€™m not.

You saw all the posts, but comment as if you havenā€™t read the majority. Maybe you went back before your last post and actually read it tho. Iā€™ll have to take your word for it. I donā€™t need to check previous posts, unlike you I actually have been reading everything.

Youā€™re being irrational and making baseless accusations. I wouldnā€™t be here, trying to come up with solutions and ideas for improving the game system if I didnā€™t care about the game. Iā€™d appreciate if you stopped with the accusatory and condescending attitude. Youā€™re way off base here. Iā€™ve read the ToS, thanks.

You were indeed being dramatic. You can stop trolling and trying to be dismissive now. Nothing you have provided was helpful, whatsoever.

Also, I am pretty sure youā€™re boosting accounts, and thatā€™s what you meant by people make a living playing comp.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1203-WJCV-7019
I can find more if you want. Itā€™s not paarticular from blizzard.

Thatā€™s why you have the 1 minute margin and can get the queue penalty. Instead of ban in the first problem.

Failover network, nobreak, ups, batteries even mobile data. You have 1 minute to return to the match.

While I know that can be annoying itā€™s fine because most of the time the player can return below 1 minute or that incident itā€™s uncommon either way.

Iā€™m not trolling, I provided constructive feedback without messing other players gameplay. You solved your problem with UPS you bought, folks who couldnā€™t buy it they could try other solutions, what we canā€™t do itā€™s approve negatively impact someone for the sake of someone who knows that can happen and done nothing to solve it.

While once or two I had this issue, I know friends that ended up being banned for competitive season. So itā€™s more a matter of choice to keep playing with issues than actually address the problem or just avoid comp. On FaQ already says: ā€œserious nature of competitiveā€

I maybe went overboard when I said egocentric, but the point is: if you negatively impact someone who didnā€™t done anything wrong for the sake of someone who are ā€œwrongā€ in that case. Means some distopia and unfair solution, donā€™t you agree?

Leaver penalties are not going away and in fact we have seen that penalties have increased throughout the years. In the long run if you have a poor home setup (power, internet, etc.), you need to consider not playing Competitive Play. Former Game Director Jeff Kaplan even encouraged this when addressing another person who dealt with disconnection issues.

Source: Old Overwatch Forum Archives

If you do have disconnection issues that you are having problems localizing, troubleshooting is available.

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THANK YOU! This is exactly what I said.

Every season your time resets so I doubt this.

Hahaha. Yeah, that is fair. And true. Iā€™m waiting for the big steamer, and then thread lock.

Youā€™re welcome! Sometimes the simplest solutions are overlooked. :slight_smile:

Still trolling I see. Glad we have Wyoming here to ignore it and not enforce any of the forum rules.