My first question is what are you on, and my second is why?
orisa has a way higher gm pickrate
I say remove his hammer and shield, give him a walking stick and lets see how he performs, charge would remain the same so his one shot potential is still there
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Sigma has way more tools at his disposal than Reinhardt.
The changes literally just happened recently. This week her pickrate has fallen around 2% since last month and Reinhardt has climbed 3%. Their winrates are comparable.
Edit
Orisa is down 1.53% and Reinhardt is up 2.83% now that I’ve actually done the math instead of guesstimate.
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And yet he can’t support a single team composition as a main tank …
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Because they gutted his shield, making him into more of an off-tank instead of his damage.
2019 and people still think “blocks a lot of damage” is the definition of a main tank even though hammond is a main tank
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Who said that here? I never said such a thing. Hammond has tools that allow him to MT without a shield, whereas Sigma doesn’t.
The hero you just need to stay 10m away from and shoot?
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in gm she has almost twice rein’s pickrate with a similar winrate
the fact that she’s used twice as much as a supposedly overpowered hero while also having a similar winrate means a hell lot regarding just how good orisa is
obviously yes the patch is new but there’s no real stats to back anything regarding rein when he’s always been the best main tank in worse ranks in every meta
Again, most of that is pre-change. She doesn’t have twice or almost twice his pickrate at present, and she’s on the decline while he’s on the upswing. You’re using outdated information.
It’s 7.51 vs 10.97, with Reinhardt’s pickrate rising and Orisa’s falling.
you can literally look at the stats on the current day and see that orisa has a higher pickrate in gm
even so, there’s always the honeymoon phase of a patch and the silliest thing to ever do is ask for nerfs or buffs a few days after a patch’s release
What are you looking at, monthly?
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we should totally wait a week or two until a meta actually develops on whether or not we do tank patches when hanzo/mei/reaper are way more pressing and harmful for tank diversity
You cannot use a single day of data as evidence in a group that small dude or really at all. You gotta look at aggregate data, preferably monthly but if not then weekly.
I mean, no duh I’m not using a single day and I’m only highlighting the current percentage for a frame of reference. I’m sorry I didn’t say think like “notice how Orisa’s pickrate is rising back up after the initial drop when the patch was released” or “notice how Rein still never came that close to Orisa’s pickrate even when the patch dropped and tons of people were overhyping the fall of Orisa” because that should be obviously understandable to someone watching the graph. I’m sorry I didn’t spell things out and assumed the viewer would infer things on their own.
Then again, we’re having a debate over a patch that’s barely in its infancy so I don’t know why this dumb discussion exists. Rein’s pickrate was going to go up dramatically regardless of how strong he is at the moment (he’s pretty solid now, but worse than Orisa in higher levels of play) and Orisa’s was going to go down because people assumed it was a net nerf.
These topics are awful because there’s no statistical evidence to go from that matters.
There is a reason for that, Orisa is being played more at GM because players are willing to build a team around her - Orisa, Sigma, Mei, Baptiste, Zen is a no brainer. On the lower end of ladder, you just pick Reinhardt and everyone else effectively is in the off tank role now i.e. Reinhardt is never bad and the least dependent tank now.
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Despite so many people complaining about how Reinhardt has been so unplayable in many metas they sure love using him in every meta. In almost every rank Rein has always been at the very top of pickrates since the beginning of the game, through every meta including Mercy meta, Orisa meta, and Dive.
He’s the easiest tank to play in pubs with relatively minimal coordination required, and honestly most players aren’t even good enough to handle a Reinhardt pressing W with Lucio speedboost so you can almost always get away with using him.
GM is the only rank that can actively punish the player for picking suboptimally, and even then that’s not always guaranteed.
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You can’t assume all that from a single day worth of data. Perhaps it will drop off like you said. But as of now, Orisa is trending downward and Reinhardt is trending upward. That’s what happened this week. Orisa’s winrate stayed roughly the same while Reinhardt’s rose a bit. Which for now means that the gap between them is closing.
It’s absurd to claim her pickrate is double his when that is not true this week.