Strongest does not mean oppressive.
Oppressive would mean that they highly restrict what you can or can’t play.
You can play most dps and any healer alongside or against Rein/zarya and you’ll be fine.
It’s the best designed tank duo.
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Exactly its a skill issue
Hence why i say Nerf god damn zarya
Increase her decay to 2.0
Make beam size and proyectile size scale once again on charge
this is rewarding high skill players who can keep up higg charge consistenly, but nerfing bad players by increasing decay.
Zarya rn is incredibly easy to retain charge with, which breaks her in the lowrr ranks cuz they feed her like crazy
I meant what i said
No other tank combo has a chance against a semi decent rein/zar combo
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It’s not that I don’t care about your rank Kelso. It’s that I want the game to be balanced.
If the game were balanced around lower ranks, heroes like Widowmaker & Tracer & other high skill (obnoxious good in the right hands) heroes would see some mega buffs to compete with heroes like Junkrat who dominate lower ranks because of his low skill floor.
The game can only be balanced around the potential of heroes, otherwise it’s not balanced. You don’t balance Widow around what a Gold player can do with her (I’m probably a Bronze Widow for the record lol)
P.S. It’s much more selfish to say “I don’t care that 6/8 tanks are being played consistently right now, I want to go back to a patch where only 2/8 tanks were, and 1 of those is my main” than “Hey I like being able to play 6/8 tanks without being told I’m throwing”
What tank duo competed against double barrier? Or dive? Or Bunker?
There has always been, and will always be a strongest tank duo.
Rein Zarya is just the lesser of all necessary evils.
Early 2019 was a high-point for Tank balance (on ladder) too. I posted some stats last year: Tank Balance was Perfect 6 Months Ago (with stats)
Unfortunately, OWL was hardstuck in the GOATS meta at the time (GM clearly wasn’t), so the devs proceeded to sledgehammer half of the Tanks and overbuff half of the Damage heroes.
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The difference is that all this metas have been in GM/OWL
During all that, outside of those high ranks, Rein zarya has remained in that dominant position for as long as i can remember
Its a skill issue, zarya charge retention is incredibly easy, low elo players feed her a lot, thus we have problems
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Eh, I don’t think they ruined it by any means. I actually enjoyed Goats, but I didn’t like playing it constantly. Every meta gets stale after it’s around for awhile. But I’m so glad they added role queue. I haven’t even touched open queue since it came out.
The Hog patch ruined playoffs, it had more consequences beyond turning competitive into a clown fiesta.
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I definitely wasn’t referring to Role Queue - it’s the best thing to ever happen to Overwatch. Updated the wording in my post to clarify.
I was referring to the fact that they sledgehammered half of the Tanks and overbuffed half of the Damage heroes before adding Role Queue.
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I don’t know man, sure Rein/Zarya has been the most popular for the longest. But it’s also one of the oldest and most straight forward tank duos. It’s easy to build around them, or to play around them if you’re up against them. You can kite them, flank their healers, cc them… you name it. Whereas with other tank duo’s you kinda just cancel each other out or kill each other’s healers before the enemy does.
If we’re going to talk about player skill, aren’t lot’s of low ranked Zarya players wasting a lot of their bubbles? Idk, food for thought. I guess they could give her a faster charge decay if she doesn’t absorb any damage for like 10 seconds or something. But honestly? I really don’t see much of a problem with them.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO completely dumpstering a hero to the point hog streamers are like “ya… I’m not touching that mess” is better for the game? Alright roger that captain.
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I’ve been seeing pretty flexible tank picks in quick play as well. No one’s really had an issue with combinations either. Orisa still feels a bit rough to use at times when it comes to shields, I have seen both great successes and failure with her in that mode, it can still be tweaked a bit down the line if they can adjust some other heroes too.
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Ah. Yea, that wasn’t great. Though I think they were trying to get rid of Goats with balance changes while they were trying to implement 2-2-2. Then everything had to be rebalanced with 2-2-2 & we’re still going through rebalancing
Honestly, it’s a good thing Blizz isn’t making any new heroes. They can get OW to the closest form of balance they can achieve, then drop OW2 & cause chaos 
They are, but low elo players are spraying shots all over the place, so basically any bubble done during battle results in an immediate 40 charge
As said
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charge decay per second increased from 1.6 to 2.0
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Beam and proyectile size once again scales om charge
Iiiiiii don’t know about that…
The game probably needed more tanks and healers before 2/2/2 went live.
Not gonna lie man, kinda weird when people tell me to swap against my counters when there’s only 7 supports. Actually, 6 because my team mate is already playing one. Actually 4, they’re playing Zenyatta so Lucio and Brig are out of the question as well. Actually, 2 because our dps are playing Echo Pharah and i can’t feasibly reach them on Baptiste or Moira…
You get the point.
And this is completely ignoring the ‘‘fun to play’’ factor here.
Oh yeah totally
There is very limited counterplay within the locked roles which is another reason lack of coordination feels so bad
If they have something like a reaper your only pick is hog
If forsome reason he is countered, you are out of luck
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That’s not what I’m saying. I want ALL of them to be viable and useable throughout the ranks.
I’m not content with either of those stats, but I’m more content in a world where my fave tank wasn’t screwed up from people in your rank wanting her gutted and claiming she was boring.
So don’t play her!?
Oh yeah y’all are slaves to the meta.
I suggested either to separate the balance changes. I hate that idea but it makes more sense…At least do it for OWL.
It makes it more balanced on the ladder.
I watched Orisa burn.
I watched brig burn.
I watched baptiste burned.
I watched mei burn.
And before you say get good or some crap like that all those heroes are centered and teamwork gameplay. It’s not that simple.
All for the sake of balance. You mean your balance.
I’m over it. screw of it.
The only thing that kills this game more is only listening to the 5% instead of 95%.
Just because your gm doesn’t make you right. Just means your better player and escaped elo hell.
At what point can I have my most played heroes favorite heroes stop being messed with just because your sick if a certain meta.
I’m a vicious- yes
Angry- quite so…
Irritated and irrational yes I am right now.
Even more finding out your views make sense from the world you come from.
This game is nothing but a circle jerks from higher ups. Some heroes are allowed to be good and some just aren’t.
So no, until blizzard addresses it’s disgusting favoritism. I’ll never EVER agree so long as a hero remains in the dirt.
There will always be mediocre or bad characters in any given competitive game.
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Okay, well they kinda are, but things will never be perfect. There will never & has never been a time where every hero is equally viable. If you’re playing in mid ranks, you can get away with playing pretty much anything as long as you’re good with them & it doesn’t go totally against your team comp (say, playing Orisa with a dive comp for example, that won’t synergize well). But if you were to play something like Orisa/Hog/Ashe/Reaper/Bap/Zen you’ll probably do pretty well.
I totally understand.
I suggest the opposite. I think you should play her. That’s what I’m doing. Everyone (including you) is saying Orisa is garbage. Meanwhile I’ve played her for 2 hours since the most recent patch & have a 64% winrate with her. I don’t care what anyone says, I have faith in myself & I enjoy playing Orisa, as long as I’m not being forced to every single game like I was.
I would need to know more. If there was a patch for OWL I would want to be on that patch because I’m close enough to that skill level to try to emulate their gameplay. If Plat & below want their own patch then so be it, I wouldn’t be bothered, I just don’t want to play on that patch.
I’m trying to explain that. I don’t think there’s any competitive game where there aren’t “bad” or sub-par characters. In fighting games, in MMO’s (including WoW), in Mobas. There is always someone that has to be the weakest/strongest because characters are unique. It’s only in games where everything is homogenized & everyone has access to the same tools (Like Fortnite/Call of Duty) that everything is more balanced. But that’s not Overwatch. Overwatch is very unique & so is every hero
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Not to that level!
Orisa is so bad right now.
Please smile and lie to me more. They killed her and wanted her dead because pros and streamers complained. Because it’s not entertaining for overwatch league because people were sick of double shield but like only 5% of the player base was playing that.
That’s not balance. That’s flat out murdering a hero for your owns gains.
Tell me after seeing that if other things like what they did to hog-
why the hell should I take this game competitively?!
Why should I trust blizzard?
I can’t. I won’t. I gave up on comp after seeing the ugly sides of blizzard with some of the balance updates this year.
I still play orisa but I don’t appreciate more toxicity because I just want to play her damn it!!!
Also I understand no hero can be equally viable but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try- shoot for the stars and land among them.