Please remove 2-2-2

[EggNopS-1134]

have you tried not being bad

[Megadodo-11847]

I was defending it like a madman. Now i cant even play the damn game as a dps main.

welcome back to the fold

the excessive queue times is just one of the multiple problems added to the game by 222, without fixing any items I’d consider to be problems

According to pretty much every source of metrics out there, both official and unofficial, the majority of the player base really enjoys 2/2/2 role - lock

I know of no valid data that supports the claim of a majority

[Skund-2376]

The same problem as before 2-2-2
If 2 people don’t get value, you won’t be able to compensate for these 2

[Eupathia-1738]

As you say, DPS queue times have always been slow; it just wasn’t as obvious before. Many players had to take selfless routes, choose Tank or Support and forfeit their goal at playing DPS. They could choose DPS but they wouldn’t rank up since there wouldn’t be enough players choosing the other roles.

[Megadodo-11847]

Those that are against 222 within this thread likely chose a DPS hero regardless of their team composition.

I am a support main who is against 222

I rarely if ever chose dps

[Eupathia-1738]

Great but it wasn’t meant as an “absolute”.

[Megadodo-11847]

I know many supports and tank mains who have voiced their dislike of 222

[Eupathia-1738]

There is usually if not always one person that strays from the mold. That’s why it’s unwise to speak in absolutes.

There are plenty of players that would not want to revert back to 222 due to the inconvenience it may bring while there are others that simply enjoy 222 altogether.

Players that are against the present composition, play supports and/or Tanks but aren’t too interested in playing DPS don’t really count within this topic. Because if there was a reversion, Tanks and Supports would go right back to being “enslaved” to “their” roles lest they “concine” themselves at largely playing Overwatch without enough Tanks and Supports.

Side Note: Players that are too focused on playing DPS typically will do so at the cost of abandoning the other roles.

[KYjelly-1566]

Really. 10 minutes in masters?

I was under a pretense that they were 15-20

If thats the case I think its the younger ones who are used to insta match maker. They now dont know what to do for 10 flipping minutes.

[Fizzbin-1581]

I’d rather have a smaller player base that is more willing to play Overwatch as a team game than the fiasco we had prior to 2-2-2. Either get with the new system or move on. I personally will not miss all the awful DPS that used to flood my games. In 2-2-2, they can’t hide anymore. Only the serious ones will put up with the queue times and that’s fine by me.

[redmaster911-1331]

honestly I hope they keep it. better this then going back to having to solo tank/heal for a bunch of DPS.

and for those who don’t like it there’s QPC (and if you say it’s not the same please say how aside from achievements)

[Megadodo-11847]

I was defending it like a madman. Now i cant even play the damn game as a dps main. Basically play hog or dont play at all. (Comp only player)

welcome back, sir. we’re glad to have you.

please take note of the suggestion in the previous post that players like yourself who only play competitive should just go play QPC.

[MoonBurst-11262]

Please don’t remove 2-2-2. I love having team comps that don’t demand I switch to a role I don’t want to play or be accused of throwing. Any time without 2-2-2, I’d pick a role I wanted to play, no one would pick tank, and if I didn’t, we wouldn’t have a tank. :c

[MrSandvich-21925]

Basic sales and consumer retention graphs? Average peak and all time high trends of FPS games?

I would love to have a look at these graphs and information as well if it’s possible for you to provide a link…

For comparison, 37 million copies of CSGO sold before going free to play, and has an average peak of only about 2% of it’s max player count, roughly 600-700k players.

50 million copies of PUBG sold, average peak roughly 1.5% of max player count, 700k players.

Competition from Activision’s own publishing umbrella, and other BR Hero FPS games taking the world by storm?

And as if comparing Overwatch, out of all games out there, to CS:GO and PUBG to name a few wasn’t enough, you then go on to disprove your whole argument by yourself by explaining why Overwatch may be going through a rough patch throughout this year in the last paragraph, meaning not due to 2/2/2 role - lock, but the huge recent competition in the industry and may I add, the general state of the game outside role - lock, which has been plaguing this game for years before the above system even became a thing)…

Common sense?? Our queue times keep getting longer.

And as I already said, that’s nothing but an anecdotal and subjective experience, because I and tons of other people for example have has the exact same queues in all roles from the implementation of 2/2/2 role - lock up until now…

[Zolgeist-1374]

As if a 10 minute wait is a short time for most people.

[brokenstyli-1993]

you then go on to disprove your whole argument by yourself by explaining why Overwatch may be going through a rough patch throughout this year

You’re the one that asked if Overwatch is offsetting the lost player count with new players.

It isn’t.

Overwatch player growth has slowed just on the relative normal numbers alone, and the presence of other games whose growth is rising (free to play, new games) or rocksteady (old games or paid BR) is horribly dangerous specifically because the Overwatch 2 announcement has created a content drought. Players have, now more than ever, reasons to jump ship that aren’t just fatigue or unease,

The game has fewer new players than ship jumpers, rough spot or not.

This is not sustainable.

I would love to have a look at these graphs and information as well if it’s possible for you to provide a link

Revenue graphs are through NPD, peak retention graphs by SteamDB. I can’t be arsed to look them up on my tablet, and I’m away from my computer for vacation.

[MrSandvich-21925]

@Jessicka-1960

These are the same developers that said Warlords of Draenor was a success while it haemorrhaged players faster than any expansion before or since.

Developers, particularly Blizzard, don’t tend to dump on their own games.

This is a very logical thought, but for better or for worse, official developer comments will always remain much more trustworthy than all the anecdotal at best ““evidence”” which has been circling places like these Forums and proving 2/2/2 role - lock’s supposed ““failure””…

@Hajile-11864

The polls that happened to include a question along the lines of “Which do you queue for” also showed that the overwhelming majority that answered are Tanks and Supports. If the playerbase was actually represented by those “metrics”, the ones with unreasonably high queue times would be the tanks.

While this is another logical thought which certainly plays a role as long as it’s true, I believe that considering the grand majority of players who enjoy 2/2/2 role - lock (and generally that’s true for the whole player base) don’t use the Forums and therefore haven’t been able to vote positively for role - lock in the first place, along with many other contributing variables more than enough normalize the metrics I originally talked about…

@Megadodo-11847

I know of no valid data that supports the claim of a majority

For the 100th time…

@ScottMercer

it’s been great to see so much positive feedback about match quality in a role queue world.

@ScottMercer

With the generally positive feedback we also seen some a few concerns from players.

@ScottMercer

We also believe that games of Overwatch are better when both teams have balanced team compositions. This has been the loudest, most noticeable positive feedback from everyone.

And add to all that pretty much every single unofficial poll created even in these Forums, a place which has always been surprisingly vocal against 2/2/2 role - lock for some reason, has shown the system to be a clear winner amongst fans with differences between the opinions being as high as 3:1 in favor of role - lock a lot of the times and you’ll get a very clear view of the truth…

[brokenstyli-1993]

And add to all that pretty much every single unofficial poll created even in these Forums, a place which has always been surprisingly vocal against 2/2/2 role - lock for some reason

Blizzard has always refused to acknowledge even the most populated feedback, and downplayed the severity of negative criticisms. We’ve known this since the first launch patch, and again after Mercy’s rework.

Blizzard also has a track record of strongarming players to accept changes, even when a change wasn’t even asked for, or received well.

Opt-in polls aren’t a valuable metric, where most people prefer to participate in their own thread instead of others. Also most polls are written in a biased fashion with the author chipping in their two cents to create an echo chamber. Polls shouldn’t be in favor or against, because those are leading questions… it should be neutral.

Furthermore, polls aren’t surveys.

[Hajile-11864]

don’t use the Forums

But they all use the games and you can see just how bad the queue times are, and an even bigger majority of the people that hated it aren’t in the forums as indicated by the poll results that asked which role they were queueing for not matching with what’s in the game. You may notice even in your own games that most of the players you get in your games are DPSes, but if you go with the forum posters, there are more tanks and supports here relative to DPSes than what you see in your own games.

As i’ve said, if the polls really represented the playerbase, the ones with long queue times would be the tanks.

[NearVoid-2628]

All im hearing is you cant be patient. Nice try OP