2-2-2 just isn’t the answer, especially when there aren’t nearly enough tanks or supports to justify a forced 2-2-2 lock. Maybe make it its own game mode, but not forced for the entirety of QP and Comp.
Bunker comp is the result of unbalance, that unbalance is the result of the devs trying to balance the game without a 2-2-2 which has proven to be impossible. With a role que they would be able to better balance the game, that has been stated many times already, so bunker comp would not be a problem, because they would balance the heroes needed for it not to be a problem, and they would be able to actually do it then.
As a primarily tank player, I’m totally against forced 2-2-2, the ability to flex is needed in case you get that one guy who refuses to switch, or the enemy is beating you in a particular regard.
Let’s say your Rein/Zarya is doing well against the enemy, but an enemy Reaper is wreaking havoc, and one of your DPS is a McCree who seems unable or unwilling to help your backline. Do you force the Zarya to switch to DVa to focus the Reaper, therefore weakening your frontline, or does your more willing second DPS switch to DVa? Under forced 2-2-2, the preferred option simply cannot happen.
Forced setups like 2-2-2 create as many problems as they “solve”. The Forums would still be full of complaints about certain heroes, or the DPS Moiras effectively throwing your matches. Overwatch is already a fairly “old” game in terms of normal game lifespan, the last thing the game needs is a half-baked decision that would reduce the player population without bringing as many back.
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Force lock 2/2/2 could help balance the game easier BUT have you even think of heroes who doesn’t work in 2/2/2 comps ?
Brigitte have been nerf too much ( no i’m not a brig main), she is really a garbage hero outside of GOATS aka 3 TANK 3 SUPPORTS. She has just gotten a rally nerf that shields block Los of rally. Her ult is worst than before, even pre-nerf she is still bad outside of Goats. Nerfing her do lower the power of Goats but doesn’t mean it will be gone like Dive.
Locking 2/2/2 basically is a MASSIVE SLAP IN THE FACE TO BRIGITTE MAINS. Her healing output is ridiculously low and it cann’t sustain a team through a fight, even with another main healer.
Locking 2/2/2 is not the answer to end Goats or to balance the game. Its an answer that will destroy Brigitte and will make her below F-tier, Mercy (tho i hate speaking of her nerfs) aafter her nerfs was still good and balance andd never got to F-tier but if locked 2/2/2 happens then i admit Brigitte is nerfed harder than Mercy ( and no i’m not saying Mercy hasn’t gotten eenough nerfs, i’m just using her as an example)
I doesn’t work that way. We track hero usages using sites like Overbuff, and all that happens is that people switch from a similar role.
When Moira went live for example, a lot of players picked her up, but the thing is, practically all of them were pulled from other supports, most of them from the Mercy pool. The overall number of supports barely changed.
If you think a forced format is going to fix balance issues, I have some news for you my friend.
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The matchQ variant of roleQ.
It tries for 2-2-2, but falls back to 3-1-2 and 3-2-1 on both teams to stop the queue length issues.
Still cuts down on the total combination space for teams.
Fix? No, improve? Yes.
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The point is to make it so people don’t leave, when they come back.
How does a role queue force people to play characters they don’t want to play?
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It doesn’t. If anything it frees them to play the hero they wanted, without being forced to fill on a Role they didn’t want.
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Am I the only one sitting here wondering how dps mains are going to play support when they’re forced to? I think leavers would sky rocket.
Well, if that is the case then what more of an argument you have in order for the game to cater to what you want?
It’s the exact same thing if you think about it…
What I won’t like about role-q is for example:
Person A: Picks Moria
Later on, the DPS isn’t doing very well at all. Person A decides they want to play DPS to pick up the slack. They can’t.
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If the community is truly this divided on the subject, which im not even sure of, I think the solution is rather simple, let go of the whole LFG thing, it does not really work anyway as explained before, because it does not hold into account the pings of players… instead, have players make a choice before queuing up, do you want forced 2-2-2 at the cost of possible longer waiting times, then this is what you and your enemy will get, and you pick your role before starting queue… if you do not want this, then enjoy your 6dps games where people all scream at each other that THEY should pick a tank/healer.
I for one know that me and my friends won’t ever choose short queues over proper comps… but that’s because me and my friends usually end up playing healer or tank even though we’d like to occasionally play dps too, but not at the cost of a frustrating round. which ends up being a situation where in when you finally decide after 7 rounds of healing 5 dps, you want to play dps and you won’t get heals and shields…
I’d say another argument for forcing it in QP especially is because its supposed to create an environment to practice in but how can you practice your zarya when you get no heals? how can you practice your ana when there are 5 flankers in your team who are never in your line of sight and refuse to peel etc etc… the practice environment is not realistic at all, its a salty dps clown fiesta 90% of the time, and thats being generous, just for that reason alone the quality of qp would improve enormously by just having 2-2-2 enforced…
the one thing i would strongly recommend tho, is the option to switch roles ingame, lets say the mcree is getting owned hardcore and agrees that maybe he should play lucio and the ana should pick up widow since the mcree is not good at that and the ana is… so mcree activated role switch allowed, ana activates role switch allowed, and these two can switch roles… or something along those lines anyway…
also, i think individual ranks for roles would be needed… it would def need some serious thought put into how to implement it, but i still favour the idea
2-2-2 would only work if everyone could play the assigned roles well. How would you swap out a terrible dps? A harakiri tank? afk healer?
I don’t want the game to cater to me.
Sure, there are things that I would like, and things I think the game could do better with or without, but I understand that other people have other ideas. And that what I’d like isn’t always what is best for the game. And what it all comes down to is Bliz’s judgement since it is their game.
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Only if their hero pool is the entire role.
Flexing on one Role is a ton easier than flexing on every Role.
Besides which, usually that just means learning two heroes per Role to be decent.
How about we don’t and call it a day? 2-2-2 won’t solve crummy games cause OW has a crummy community. Please fix that FIRST and then we’ll talk.
“If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change”
- lyric of Man in the Mirror, Michael Jackson
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